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Amanda Suutari's avatar

@charles I find this 'both sidesism' and 'othering' rhetoric of yours super boring, stale, and simplistic.

Of course 'othering' is not helpful to furthering civic collaboration and discourse in civil society.

But it is not 'othering' to see the urgent need to contain a deeply broken cult leader, his oligarchy and cadre of bad-faith actors, and prevent them from doing further damage to vulnerable people, the planet, the economy, and the already fractured body politic.

It's not 'anti-Trump' to say that. It's not 'taking sides' to take an uequivocal stance against the MAGA movement.

What is happening in the US should be deeply disturbing to Americans across the political spectrum. It's not a 'right' or 'left' issue.

This populist cancer is spreading across the planet, because the climate and biodiversity crisis and the rate of change is too much for many people so they are especially vulnerable to disinformation campaigns by populist leaders looking to enrich and benefit themselves. The playbook is out there, for anyone to read. It's amazing to me that we still fall for it, hook, line and sinker. (For example Bill Eddy's book "Why we elect narcissists and sociopaths and how we can stop", a politically agnostic book references the exact same word for word playbook of all the usual demagogues, from Mao to Pol Pot to Hitler to Mussolini to Trump - and not all of them are on the right.)

It's possible to take a strong stand against far-right populism and the manipulation of grievances of low-information populations most vulnerable to bots and bad information. It's possible to take a stand against the breaking of basic norms of leadership, against virulent and deliberate disinformation, dog whistles, bullying, insults and blame. Against threats, withholding and punishing of nations and states who refuse to comply with ridiculous demands. And the dismantling of a nation's checks and balances on the executive branch, and the the growing consolidating oligarchy influencing not just national but global power dynamics.

Perhaps there are many things about the US political system that have needed upending - and boy is this happening. But this is not happening because of any elevated aspirational reasons for re-creating or reforming a broken system. Rather it's happening for the benefit of a handful of wounded billionaires who don't give a fuck about the planet or the future because they've already built bunkers they can retreat to when things get dangerously bad.

And while the Democratic party has many problematic elements as well, they are nowhere in the same league as MAGA. There are many good-faith actors in the Democratic party, who still respect the norms of government process, who, <because> of this, are now being played and bulldozed and blocked by bad-faith actors who have no compunctions about steamrolling over the norms. Which is why MAGA is winning - when you don't care about the rules, you have an advantage over those who do.

You can frame yourself as being somehow above the for/against binary Charles, but I call BS. Since the pandemic, your following among the 'conspiritual' crowd has elevated, and I suspect you are hiding under the 'I refuse to other/take a side' rhetoric in order to appease them.

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Serina Arlene's avatar

We can have compassion for migrants at the same time that we enforce the rules that we have for good reasons. Maybe we should make legal immigration easier. Less costly, and taking less time, but until then, unfortunately, the Biden administration allowed unprecedented numbers of people over our borders with no proper due process and sprinkled among the largely good people are horrendous criminals that no country would knowingly allow in any more than you would knowingly allow them into your home. Most of these migrants that the Biden admin allowed in aren't even from central America, they're just funneled through there because that's where our border is porous, not at New York harbor. If your compassion for one group of people puts another group of people in danger, then it isn't reducing suffering. So, again, we can feel compassion in our hearts at the same time that we do what keeps us safe. I have compassion for the homeless, lonely people on every corner of my city, but I am not taking them home with me to my family and children, whom they absolutely could pose a danger to.

I used to believe in open borders. I do not anymore. It's okay that there are vetting processes. Improve the efficiency of the vetting processes so it's easier for people to come here legally and soundly and safely! In the meantime, a course correction must be made, the pendulum must swing in the other direction after it swung so far the way it did the last 4 years. Somewhere in the middle of the pendulum swinging, it finds equilibrium, if only for a moment.

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