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Jan 23·edited Jan 23Liked by Charles Eisenstein

Hi Charles. This is Yusuf, I interviewed you many years ago where we explored your book Sacred Economics and some of the wisdom in the Islamic tradition pertaining to its condemntation of Usury. Thank you for finally letting us know what you think in your previous piece "Friends Don't let Friends Destroy Themselves" where you were honest about your conflict in working for RFK.Jr and his position on Israel. I'm glad you finally let us know what you thought, my heart could not accept that a heart like yours (which I greatly admire) would accept RFK Jr.'s position, I was also glad to read you highlight Chris Hedges writings, and his views on RFK.Jr and the Israel Lobby are clear for everyone to read: https://chrishedges.substack.com/p/robert-f-kennedy-jr-the-israel-lobbys/comments

On this piece, I completely agree with the sentiment, Sufis and mystics on both sides have tried to do what you are stating for years, there is a power imbalance in the equation you are proposing, one that can be redressed by the proposals you have highlighted, but for that to happen, alongside the condemning and removal of Hamas and extremist elements on the Palestinian side we need to call out the underpinning ideology of Zionism which is an extreme manifestation of the Science and Technological Programme you alluded to in the Ascent. There is a reason why Zionism and the inception of Israel was opposed by traditional Judaism, the orthodox position that was later rebranded as an ultra orthodox position, despite Israel being a violation of Judaism's Three Oaths, which entails a submission to God, to await for the Messiah, to not forcefully reclaim the Land of Israel and not to rebel against the other nations - all of which were abrogated in a paradigm of control, and the "fix" of lobbies, armaments, media and financial manipulation. The problem with any paradigm of such control, is the longer one goes down that road, the more the narrative falls apart, and if the solution then becomes more control and manipulation, the crisis just deepens more. Zionists have unmasked themselves, there is no going back now, they can't reclaim the moral narrative, because all the lies and deceit over 75 years have been laid bare. Rupert Murdoch's media empire can try as much as it wants to control the narrative, and the lobbies and political power of their machine can keep trying to deligitamize the Palestinians and demonize them but the world has shifted, the Global South sees the hypocrisy (South Africa is leading the way for a reason), and alternative/social media, the Max Blumenthals/Aaaron Mates/Chris Hedges of this world, will keep exposing the media lies. In the Muslim world, we are now getting educated on who the Zionists really are, see these extremely informative videos:

[1] Unveiling Zionism: Philosophical and Historical insights with Dr. Ali Ataie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egvFSx-J3b8

[2] How Zionism Indoctrinated the West with Ahmed Paul Keeler:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2tKwj4GNYI

The last video is particularly relevant, because Paul Keeler was someone from the generation who were educated with the narrative of the Empire, and he speaks about how the loss of that narrative, has exposed Zionism.

In truth Charles, the Muslim world already extended the branch to Israel, the Abraham Accords only asked for the Israelis to stop building the settlements in return for normalization, but they continued building. Even the Hamas 2017 Charter (unlike the oft quoted 2008 one, this is the only Charter established when they were a political group) implicitly accepted an Israel and a separate Palestine state on the 1967 borders, but the Zionist Project is committed to the idea of the Greater Israel, and the ethnocentric supremacist state they seek to establish for that purpose. This is why the genocide and ethnic cleansing has been systemic and incremental, even if its one house at a time, as documented by the likes of Illan Pappe.

I know you probably know how integral to all this the Zionist Project for control is, and why it needs to be called out. I do suspect RFJ. Jr. knows this, which makes his association with the likes of the Likudnik Zionist Propagandist and so called Rabbi Shmuley Boteach all the more unconscionable. If he had associated with the likes of Rabbi Michael Lerner (https://www.tikkun.org/a-jewish-renewal-understanding/) he wouldn't have got the support from the Zionist machine but he would have won hearts and shown that he is consistent with the other stated positions he claims to hold. This association with Zionism for him negates his talk about being against the war machine, as Chris Hedges notes, the Israel-Palestine issue is not one issue amongst many issues, but " is the central issue facing any politician who claims to speak on behalf of the vulnerable and the marginalized...if you do stand up, it singles you out as someone who puts principles before expediency, who is willing to fight for the wretched of the earth and, if necessary, sacrifice your political future to retain your integrity. Kennedy fails this crucial test of political and moral courage." [https://consortiumnews.com/2023/08/15/chris-hedges-the-israel-lobbys-useful-idiot/]

I know you know this, and as your brother in heart, I know you must have grappled with this for some broader reason of bringing good. But from where I am, I can't see it my brother, I think RFK.Jr has revealed who he really is with this, and I hope and pray you will be liberated from this association soon, so your voice can shine with the luminosity it has.

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Jan 23Liked by Charles Eisenstein

I read these pieces from you and I can't help but wonder if you're having any of the hoped-for influence on RFK. As a part of his campaign, are you having regular conversations on the topic? I like RFK for so many other reasons, so I hope you are having some effect. But in some ways, I wonder how you can continue working for him if he remains deaf and blind to these horrors.

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Thank you so much for continuing to drill down into this solution. It IS completely possible and is the only possible way to bring about the transformation you outline. You have put yourself fully on the line in the process. Thank you for caring so much.

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I was once a supporter of RFK Junior's presidential run, and was delighted to see someone of Charles Eisenstein's caliber working for his election. Sadly, Bobby has lost my support for his refusal to accept that Israel can do no wrong, and his continued support of the Israeli state in spite of the atrocities being committed. It saddens me to think of how many others have also left, and how we had a chance at advancing the peace which RFK Jr appeared to believe in. Alas, you cannot both, promote an end to aggression and war on other nations, and yet not call for a ceasefire on the nation that has killed over 20,000 civilians - mostly woman and children.

The "animating spirit" that you Charles, and I, both desire, can only come about from those who support, and usher in leaders who take off their blinders. Oh, how I wish this could have "reached the ear" of one whom I thought might have had a chance to make those policies more just. The man currently at the helm, and the one who might just unseat him have shown no courage or morality to change that dynamic. In the meantime we can support a brave nation such as South Africa who is willing to risk the wrath of the mighty "great nations" by standing firm for Gaza, and condemning the genocide being perpetrated by Israel.

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What turns the adorable 2 yr old Israeli twins in my aerial class into IDF soldiers giddily patrolling the West Bank and randomly shooting down streets, torturing men and arresting anyone who 'likes' a social media post? Or into the IDF soldiers committing the massacre you saw?

A lifetime of being told that they are the world's victims and anything they do is justified. And every thing that you write, Charles, that perpetuates a falsehood gives that young person, barely out-of-adolescence, the justification to commit another atrocity.

The rave was relocated to the border 48 hrs before it was scheduled. Hamas never intended to target them, their target was the military base down Rt 124, in order to get hostages to trade for Palestinians. When they heard shots, the music was turned off and everyone evacuated a half-hour before there was any military presence. The IDF blocked the 124 in both directions 1/2 mi. away. The only ones to escape fled across the field and into the woods where Israeli survivors say the IDF shot at them. And bombed the cars in the parking lot from Apache helicopters.

Here's one article on it: https://thegrayzone.com/2023/11/21/haaretz-grayzone-conspiracy-israeli-festivalgoers/. You have access to real information, Charles. If this is a lie, maybe so is "historical conditions of persecution and genocide and expulsion that leave Jews feeling unwelcome and unsafe." When I pulled on that thread, the whole history unravelled. The only two sides here are lies and truth.

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Jan 23·edited Jan 23Liked by Charles Eisenstein

Writing from the Balkans, the area which has witnessed many wars. So I have a first hand experience, and also work on national reconciliation using the method of Systemic Constellations developed by Bert Hellinger, yes, a German, who had plenty of war dynamics material to study in his country. There are lot of insights about what fuels wars coming from this field. One of them is that we are ALL capable of turning into a heartless perpetrator, perpetrators are NOT just some extra evil guys. It all depends on the context and conditions. The second insight is that it is very easy to manipulate people into hatred from which becoming a perpetrator is easy - you just play on the survival instinct of the group through extreme nationalism and create "us" and "them" situation, creating "the delusion that one is made of better stuff than the other" and that our survival is jeopardised. From there it is a small step to take arms with desire to annihilate "the other" with clear conscience. This is a universal pattern which affects all of us, regardless of nation, colour or ideology. Another major insight is that there is no universal "good" or "bad", it is all relevant only for the groups we belong too, so we have to stop fighting for "our good". We have to see others as equals and equally worthy. How do we do that? Yet another insight from Systemic Constellations Work is that every war finds a justification in the one before. How do we stop that cycle in which victims often become perpetrators? We leave it all in the past, we grieve the dead and give up on revenge. And we give up our belonging to our cherished groups and identities: national, ethnic, religious, ideological...Not easy, but possible. I see it happen in my work. I would also say that it is good to be this "naive" as you are in your suggestions Charles and seek possibilities which, from our current state seem impossible.

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God once deemed it appropriate to respond to violence with overwhelming vengeance as a form of punishment. God then deemed it appropriate to respond to violence with an eye for an eye. A messenger then deemed it appropriate to turn the other cheek and to love the enemy. However loving one's enemy was rarely understood. This God seems to continue to evolve, for he suggests now that we engage those who have been radicalized to attack with deep listening from an open heart, so we react from an equanimous centre, we react with humility and patience to look towards the source of their conditioning, to hear of their life of trauma, to learn of their disparagement, to experience empathy for their extreme suffering. And so with open hearts instead of anger and notions of revenge, we react with a loving kind compassion which finally breaks the intergenerational cycle of violence. And yet we are asked by this God to evolve even further to love unconditionally, to see one another as brother and sister, of the same father, to see the unity in all humanity. This journey seems to be one of the evolution of our collective human consciousness. It is one which reflects the evolution of the sanctity within each one of us. A return of our true nature to manifest love on earth as it is in heaven.

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Jan 23Liked by Charles Eisenstein

Hi Charles. I didn't read this article past the first paragraph, but I still wanted to comment. I value your writing so much, and I love hearing your perspective. I just don't want to read of more horror. I don't believe that reading about heinous acts brings me any closer to peace or understanding. I don't want to read any descriptions of atrocities even if they are to illustrate a really good point. I wanted to let you know why I don't see skipping this article as "shutting such horrors out of my awareness". While I agree with you that we shouldn't shut things out of our awareness, to me, news about something which is told to me from someone else, whether it is from you, my neighbour, or the major news media outlets, is not something I have to necessarily bring into my awareness. My awareness needs to be connected to the reality of the present moment, to what is around me. I choose how much to read and watch other people's accounts, and wherever possible I choose to read and watch peace instead of violence. If my neighbour tells me she wants my help, I listen. If she wants to tell me something terrible that happened to someone she knew, I don't see any useful reason for me to hear that. It may be that some of your readers want to have their narratives challenged by reading of brutal violence. I am striving to live free of narratives and open to where my help is most needed. I am interested in hearing more about that. I write this not to criticize you for your choice of topic, in this or anything else. I admire your passion and your willingness to speak up for what you feel is write. I just wanted to offer my perspective on how I see consuming news of violence for whatever reason. Thanks.

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Actually what happened at the festival was more complicated. Hamas didn't do most of the killing there. We need to be objective about all sides of the conflict!

https://thegrayzone.com/2023/11/21/haaretz-grayzone-conspiracy-israeli-festivalgoers/

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I have read a couple of your treatises on the actions in Gaza and Israel. I listened months ago to what l think was a very good zoom meeting produced by Humanity Rising. They had two Jewish men interviewed plus the moderator. The two Jewish men were not Zionists and separated themselves from that mindset and have been excluded from their families and friends who are in that mindset.

What l learned and felt is authentic is that the Israeli government funded and put Hamas in control of Gaza. I feel that the Israeli government orchestrated the whole thing…Hamas coming into Israel killing ‘innocent’ people in order to present the watching world with an ‘accepted’ excuse to attack Gaza…PR. It’s obvious to me that that faction in Israel has the intent to take over the land that they feel God gave to them long long ago. No ones possess any land on this earth. It is not a possession.

In the big picture this is all orchestrated by the powers that be, the Israeli and US governments who really only care about money and power.

Then we can bring in the aspect of karma. This is true for everyone and all who feel they are trodden upon. It’s very very hard to watch. Extreme sadness in me for that but it’s all done in love, opportunity for growth.

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I have joined several peace mediations for what is happening in the Middle East as I feel it is something positive I can do. I have compassion for everyone caught up in that hamster wheel of horrors (a phrase I got from Pam Gregory). Because that describes exactly what is going on: there is no end to the horrors that can be perpetrated when you come from a place of fear, separation, and otherness. It will never, ever end. Someone has to be peace to bring peace. It is universal law.

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Greetings from Wakefield RI. Thank you for this essay. There is much here in the way of moving toward peace, but I am with the commenters who are questioning the implied equivalencies. There are other elements at work here: atrocity propaganda, AIPAC influence on media coverage and legislative decisionmaking, US made bombs, a US President who has taken $4.3 million from pro-Israel groups since he became a US Senator in 1990. $500 billion of natural gas in the Levant Basin off of Gaza, and prime oceanfront property already being promised to settlers. There is a madman, Netanyahu, using war as a means of his own political survival, .......and a Zionist ideology rooted in supremacy and racism, fueling a government hell-bent on collective punishment, expulsion and yes, genocide. And there is the unfortunate fact of Israel having nuclear weapons, and key Cabinet members being potentially deranged enough to use them. Yet RFK Jr, objective and enlightened on other issues continues to trot out the same BS as other candidates when it comes to this conflict. It is clear that AIPAC will own him too.

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Absolutely beautiful Charles. Brought tears to my eyes. And 100% possible. But all of us, even those on this forum, have to make a concerted effort to escape the dualistic thinking in which we are seemingly trapped. I personally am trying to worry less about "what effect Charles is having on RFK's position" and focus on understanding the origins of my own dogmatic conditioning first.

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In the first place we honestly do not know very much aside from propaganda about October 7. In the second place Israel from it's violent birth saw the need for superior firepower and superior propaganda that could turn night into day. Israel is an ethnic state building itself into a curious Zionist mirror of National Socialism, sharing a blood and soil and master race ideology and Macht Politik. Had the Reich been able to transfer the European Jews to the Holy Land I suspect the process of extermination would be complete. No peace will come to this land in our lifetimes. No need for it in the end as hatred is a useful weapon for all. This may be the true power of the powerless-the ability to fully hate and dehumanize another person into a thing.

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I don't doubt this sort of thing is happening. How sad and horrible and tragic. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind, and dead.

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Jan 23·edited Jan 23

Thank you for this Charles. Love your heart, brother. I was given at birth the labels "Jewish" and Israeli". I very much like your suggestions here (and I can think of a few changes to make them even better) but at the root of it, it seems to me that such suggestions are only secondary to something more fundamental, which is that absolutely nothing can work as long as the vast majority of Israelis do NOT view the local people in Palestine as equal human beings!! And do not view the pain of someone who did not receive at birth the label "Jewish" as equal to the pain of someone who received at birth this label

(Or more accurately, are very very deeply indoctrinated from a very young age into this profoundly destructive God-rejecting sectarian supremacist tribalist/nationalist mentality and worldview, which is by far the most common and mainstream in Israel).

In my view, that is at the absolute root of everything. The heart of people. I can say from experience that for the vast majority of Israelis, the local people in Palestine simply do not exist, and the pain and trauma we inflicted and inflict on them simply cannot be heard or understood by the deeply corrupted tribalist supremacist heart of the vast majority of indoctrinated Israelis.

We hear absolutely nothing in the zionist propaganda media or in the manipulative zionist indoctrination camps (schools) about the local people or the unspeakable horror, cruelty, inhumanity, aystematic dispossesion, theft, pushing-out, abuse, torture, trauma, erasure and genocide that we, heavily-brainwashed and heart-corrupted zionists, inflicted and inflict on them.

I just don't see how can anything fundamentally change if this root issue doesn't change, if we are programmed from birth to NOT see the local people in Palestine as equal human beings with equal value. Absolutely everything in Israel pushes in the exact opposite direction of equally valued humanity, in the opposite direction of God. Absolutely evwrything in Israel pushes towards supremacy and greater and greater dehumanization. Supremacy is 99% of Israeli society and politics and you are considered a criminal and dangerous outcast and traitor if you're not a supremacist too. I am not optimistic at all that any change can happen within the very deeply indoctrinated and deeply fascistic and supremacist israeli society..

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