Thank you for putting these words down and for your commitment to "put my words at the service of the turning of the world toward healing, beauty, life, and peace."
I suppose if receiving a t-shirt, flyers and others signs means something, then we need both faith and hope in getting the right candidate elected. Who else do we have at this stage? I will leave it for later, Linda, if interested.
Right on Charles, The unitive spirit is where it's at. It is what I saw in Robert, and why I love him, and why so many are heartbroken right now about the Israel Gaza catastrophe. I'm going to tune in tomorrow and see if that comes up. I am anti war. I can't support him right now. I need to hear more repudiation of the violence, more call for peace and reconciliation, and less of 'Israel has the right to defend itself.' Because that is the unitive spirit. When I think of the spirit of JFK, what he said in the Peace Speech... He would have said the United States, Hamas and Israel should take responsibility for their own faults. He would not have said Israel is right for bombing kids. He would not send money or weapons to further the divide. And, given his equally famous 'Secret Society Speech,' he would be aware of the hidden conspiracies that drive this conflict, this genocide. If Robert is going to campaign on his uncle's spirit, he has to live up to it... Love for someone to challenge him on these matters.
Thank you Robert. Also, while many had hopes, JFK Jr seems to lack an intersectional, interrelated understanding of genocide/ecocide (Israel war on Gaza) and limited understanding of the military industrial complex and its interrelationship to ecological destruction or to the perpetuation of poverty. Too, his disregard for human rights/children rights, precious life, in his support for genocide. I do trust Charles's heart, but can not support this choice.
I'm glad to hear this. Yesterday as I accepted a t-shirt and signs and flyers from the regional Kennedy person I expressed my misgivings about him, while also hoping for the best out of him.
Re your comment "It is a lot safer to stay apolitical. To stay above it all, aloof, superior, cynical." Yes, there are those who stay aloof because they feel superior or cynical but imo people who otherwise might voice more centrist points of view stay aloof more out of fear or a sense of futility because - as you also say - "when you publicly support a political candidate, you place yourself on “the other side” in the minds of many people." It's painful to be "othered". Thus it's our need to be connected that ironically plays directly into the current dramatic polarization of our country. I look forward to your unifying narrative..
There is no way to square this comment "Because fundamentally, all of us (or nearly all) love nature and want to live in a world where life thrives." with RFK's position on the Gaza catastrophe, and Israel more generally. His position on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is even more unabashedly pro-Israeli than Biden's. And that's saying a lot. Supporting genocide is about as anti-life as it is possible to be.
He has been criticized for months that he leans in favor of supporting Israel. That is why he has lost much of his audience who support the Palestinians. He just shifts his theme to what favors his cause for world peace, which is everyone's objective. Yet again, as you see, he does not even bother to write to us. Read what Bill Smith has to say about the NAAS project. It is always a new project, which the entrepreneurs seek to capitalize upon. This election year of 2024 is a very pivotal event, and we have just one hope at this point, and this is Robert Kennedy. Whatever risk people might be feeling, it is more than worth it to find out what he can and will do.
I grew up in the 1960’s and 70’s in a rural town along a river where a paper mill dumped dye daily turning the river red or blue or green. It was too polluted to fish what once a pristine fishing ground before the mill. Now the mill is gone. The river. Has a bike path that stretches alongside connecting towns for miles and miles. As a child we learned how terrible polluting was and protecting our environment was a key act in how we viewed our world, and that has stayed with me. I think we can all agree how sacred our water and soil and air is and that we must be wary of technologies which seem like good ideas but may actually do more harm than good. The best thing we can do for our planet is to be as honest as we can about how to do that and to never let politics corrupt that truth.
I grew up in the 50's and 60's in the smelter capital of the western world. Yes, the aroma of Tacoma became the byname of a town that was actually situated more as a kind of western Galilee. So, this element of environmental pollution became an ever growing threat. As such, and this is a fact that every human soul has to face, and especially in today's time frame, is that in certain respects we are powerless and helpless in the face of evil. We experience crucifixion every day of our lives. The way to Christ sees this path as ours to bear. This is not preaching, but seeing the evolution of ascent at a critical point in time. Science calls it, "reaching Critical Mass."
Good story here, Bonnie, and I can reflect with the best of them because anecdotes are important. This is the outstanding feature here with talking to the unwashed Galilean mongrels that Christ embraced precisely because they lived and loved for the truth of free being.
Thank you for aiming to effect the “impossible possible” in the blend of this at once perfect and imperfect world Kennedy reflects in his own person and in yours and mine also.
Except - and I may be offbase here - my impression of Libertarians is that they’ve rarely met a regulation they like, esp w regard to economic issues. From a purely opportunistic perspective RFKjr aligning libertarian makes sense on paper for the reasons you state - but - I think they would not support any positions that call for regulation of or enforcement of same on Corps. I don’t see RFKjr supporting a true Libertarian platform. But maybe I am wrong. 🤷♂️
I agree. The last thing RFK jnr appears to be is opportunistic. The sense I get is that for him it is not a case of win at all costs. My understanding is that it is more important to him to stay true to himself. Or do I have my rose - tinted spectacles on?
I don't agree, although I confess I don't have a deep understanding of the Libertarian philosophy. I may be wrong, but my view of it was shaped by reading "Atlas Shrugged" years ago. I don't think any other book has made me feel so profoundly depressed as that one because the protagonist seemed so mechanistic, so driven, so steely in a literal sense, so devoid of love of nature. It made life seem so utterly pointless. But ha ha maybe they weren't even Libertarians! But that's what lodged in my brain.
That's interesting Lisa. What has he done to make you suspicious of him? I am genuinely interested because I have followed his work for decades and sort of can't think of an occasion where he acted in a way that betrayed his values. The more I see and hear the more I believe he really is doing this out of a deep sense of service. He has always championed what he believes to be true, however unpopular it makes him. And he truly does love Nature. To be so consistent over such a long time can only done if it it comes from the heart. I think he is firstly a good human and as an afterthought happens to have an extraordinary insight into politics.
His love of Nature is the most compelling side. I knew him in the 70s and didn’t witness anything but his behavior as an addict, which gives me pause when considering the office of the president. I find his use of growth hormones off putting as I watched them warp the ego of a friend taking them. His betrayal of his mentor at the Riverkeepers , which he did not cofound, but claims to, distressed me as well. There is more . We all need to weigh it for ourselves.
Well granted, you know him personally and I don't. What I will say is that some of the best people I know went through the fire and overcame addiction. And in his defence, he did lose both his father and his uncle in a horrible way at a very formative stage. I think to come through all that and turn it around shows uncommon strength of character. In fact, I prefer a leader who has not had a bland and uneventful life and can therefore relate to pain. No-one is perfect that I know of.
The biggest offense against RFK seems to be this stance in favor of Israel's genocidal policies. Where do we draw the line? Love of nature is not necessarily love of humanity on a worldwide scale.
I don't know that he has ever said anything about it. Good observation. You see, RFK has a rare kind of speech impediment, and this has kind of made his speech campaign difficult. Yet, he is slowly gaining the support he needs. If allowed to speak, this impediment decreases and becomes the strong voice we need to hear. This is the first year that an Independent Party candidate stands to get elected. The dichotomy of left-right polarities (Dems-Reps) yields to the third force, which is the Trinity. As such, RFK is simply waiting for our call. He is like his father, who was also waiting for the call.
At the risk of appearing interested and even nosy at your comment, can you explain what you are talking about? Bill Smith made a similar remark on the other thread, and then deleted all his comments. I only want to be objective, and if Charles Eisenstein is a good guy, which many people believe, then should we not get behind him? Please help me because I do not want to offend anybody. I appreciated Bill's comments, and then he went paranoid on me.
i am grateful for you , charles. to fight the Good Fight. an old odd expression perhaps we can change it to to Light the Good Light. i am with you all the way.
Yes, some people have a knee - jerk aversion to "environmentalism" because unfortunately it has been hijacked by people who have no love for life at all, to further their own agenda. The intention of genuine lovers of the Earth has never been to violently take away from humanity.
“Because fundamentally, all of us (or nearly all) love nature and want to live in a world where life thrives.”
A world so beautiful that our children cannot resist the call to go OUTSIDE and PLAY.
Thank you for putting these words down and for your commitment to "put my words at the service of the turning of the world toward healing, beauty, life, and peace."
I suppose if receiving a t-shirt, flyers and others signs means something, then we need both faith and hope in getting the right candidate elected. Who else do we have at this stage? I will leave it for later, Linda, if interested.
Right on Charles, The unitive spirit is where it's at. It is what I saw in Robert, and why I love him, and why so many are heartbroken right now about the Israel Gaza catastrophe. I'm going to tune in tomorrow and see if that comes up. I am anti war. I can't support him right now. I need to hear more repudiation of the violence, more call for peace and reconciliation, and less of 'Israel has the right to defend itself.' Because that is the unitive spirit. When I think of the spirit of JFK, what he said in the Peace Speech... He would have said the United States, Hamas and Israel should take responsibility for their own faults. He would not have said Israel is right for bombing kids. He would not send money or weapons to further the divide. And, given his equally famous 'Secret Society Speech,' he would be aware of the hidden conspiracies that drive this conflict, this genocide. If Robert is going to campaign on his uncle's spirit, he has to live up to it... Love for someone to challenge him on these matters.
Thank you Robert. Also, while many had hopes, JFK Jr seems to lack an intersectional, interrelated understanding of genocide/ecocide (Israel war on Gaza) and limited understanding of the military industrial complex and its interrelationship to ecological destruction or to the perpetuation of poverty. Too, his disregard for human rights/children rights, precious life, in his support for genocide. I do trust Charles's heart, but can not support this choice.
his uncle waited until his was in power to cut the cords, I wonder if RFK is planning the same
politics is a multi layered chess game. i wonder that too. tough game he's in.
chess is the typification of patriarchy hey? I wonder if there's some Go players here
I would most certainly agree. You have to be willing to lay it all on the line for this because we are talking raising the consciousness
I'm glad to hear this. Yesterday as I accepted a t-shirt and signs and flyers from the regional Kennedy person I expressed my misgivings about him, while also hoping for the best out of him.
Re your comment "It is a lot safer to stay apolitical. To stay above it all, aloof, superior, cynical." Yes, there are those who stay aloof because they feel superior or cynical but imo people who otherwise might voice more centrist points of view stay aloof more out of fear or a sense of futility because - as you also say - "when you publicly support a political candidate, you place yourself on “the other side” in the minds of many people." It's painful to be "othered". Thus it's our need to be connected that ironically plays directly into the current dramatic polarization of our country. I look forward to your unifying narrative..
There is no way to square this comment "Because fundamentally, all of us (or nearly all) love nature and want to live in a world where life thrives." with RFK's position on the Gaza catastrophe, and Israel more generally. His position on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is even more unabashedly pro-Israeli than Biden's. And that's saying a lot. Supporting genocide is about as anti-life as it is possible to be.
What's his position on the Gaza genocide?
He has been criticized for months that he leans in favor of supporting Israel. That is why he has lost much of his audience who support the Palestinians. He just shifts his theme to what favors his cause for world peace, which is everyone's objective. Yet again, as you see, he does not even bother to write to us. Read what Bill Smith has to say about the NAAS project. It is always a new project, which the entrepreneurs seek to capitalize upon. This election year of 2024 is a very pivotal event, and we have just one hope at this point, and this is Robert Kennedy. Whatever risk people might be feeling, it is more than worth it to find out what he can and will do.
I grew up in the 1960’s and 70’s in a rural town along a river where a paper mill dumped dye daily turning the river red or blue or green. It was too polluted to fish what once a pristine fishing ground before the mill. Now the mill is gone. The river. Has a bike path that stretches alongside connecting towns for miles and miles. As a child we learned how terrible polluting was and protecting our environment was a key act in how we viewed our world, and that has stayed with me. I think we can all agree how sacred our water and soil and air is and that we must be wary of technologies which seem like good ideas but may actually do more harm than good. The best thing we can do for our planet is to be as honest as we can about how to do that and to never let politics corrupt that truth.
I grew up in the 50's and 60's in the smelter capital of the western world. Yes, the aroma of Tacoma became the byname of a town that was actually situated more as a kind of western Galilee. So, this element of environmental pollution became an ever growing threat. As such, and this is a fact that every human soul has to face, and especially in today's time frame, is that in certain respects we are powerless and helpless in the face of evil. We experience crucifixion every day of our lives. The way to Christ sees this path as ours to bear. This is not preaching, but seeing the evolution of ascent at a critical point in time. Science calls it, "reaching Critical Mass."
Good story here, Bonnie, and I can reflect with the best of them because anecdotes are important. This is the outstanding feature here with talking to the unwashed Galilean mongrels that Christ embraced precisely because they lived and loved for the truth of free being.
Thank you for aiming to effect the “impossible possible” in the blend of this at once perfect and imperfect world Kennedy reflects in his own person and in yours and mine also.
RFK is making a huge mistake by not pursuing the Libertarian nomination.
It guarantees 50 state access.
It gets that access for free, allowing money otherwise spent on lawyers and access to be spent on the campaign.
It brings the Libertarian ground troops to bear for the RFK cause.
Having a Libertarian candidate on the ballot in addition to RKF will divert some of the anti establishment vote away from him.
You have his ear, push him on this!
Except - and I may be offbase here - my impression of Libertarians is that they’ve rarely met a regulation they like, esp w regard to economic issues. From a purely opportunistic perspective RFKjr aligning libertarian makes sense on paper for the reasons you state - but - I think they would not support any positions that call for regulation of or enforcement of same on Corps. I don’t see RFKjr supporting a true Libertarian platform. But maybe I am wrong. 🤷♂️
I agree. The last thing RFK jnr appears to be is opportunistic. The sense I get is that for him it is not a case of win at all costs. My understanding is that it is more important to him to stay true to himself. Or do I have my rose - tinted spectacles on?
I don't agree, although I confess I don't have a deep understanding of the Libertarian philosophy. I may be wrong, but my view of it was shaped by reading "Atlas Shrugged" years ago. I don't think any other book has made me feel so profoundly depressed as that one because the protagonist seemed so mechanistic, so driven, so steely in a literal sense, so devoid of love of nature. It made life seem so utterly pointless. But ha ha maybe they weren't even Libertarians! But that's what lodged in my brain.
They were "objective epistemologists" based on the godless mind of Ayn Rand. Totally insufferable book.
Did you point out his support of Israel destroys his moral integrity?
Hi Charles. Is it possible to register and then watch a recording later? It’s my son’s birthday dinner at that time.
Can non US citizens listen to the discussion? I suppose not as it is a campaign event. I would have loved to.
Same here Carol, I'm from Aus but am interested in watching this
I wish I trusted Bobby as much as I trust you.
That's interesting Lisa. What has he done to make you suspicious of him? I am genuinely interested because I have followed his work for decades and sort of can't think of an occasion where he acted in a way that betrayed his values. The more I see and hear the more I believe he really is doing this out of a deep sense of service. He has always championed what he believes to be true, however unpopular it makes him. And he truly does love Nature. To be so consistent over such a long time can only done if it it comes from the heart. I think he is firstly a good human and as an afterthought happens to have an extraordinary insight into politics.
His love of Nature is the most compelling side. I knew him in the 70s and didn’t witness anything but his behavior as an addict, which gives me pause when considering the office of the president. I find his use of growth hormones off putting as I watched them warp the ego of a friend taking them. His betrayal of his mentor at the Riverkeepers , which he did not cofound, but claims to, distressed me as well. There is more . We all need to weigh it for ourselves.
Well granted, you know him personally and I don't. What I will say is that some of the best people I know went through the fire and overcame addiction. And in his defence, he did lose both his father and his uncle in a horrible way at a very formative stage. I think to come through all that and turn it around shows uncommon strength of character. In fact, I prefer a leader who has not had a bland and uneventful life and can therefore relate to pain. No-one is perfect that I know of.
The biggest offense against RFK seems to be this stance in favor of Israel's genocidal policies. Where do we draw the line? Love of nature is not necessarily love of humanity on a worldwide scale.
When has he ever said he is in favor of Israel's policies?
I don't know that he has ever said anything about it. Good observation. You see, RFK has a rare kind of speech impediment, and this has kind of made his speech campaign difficult. Yet, he is slowly gaining the support he needs. If allowed to speak, this impediment decreases and becomes the strong voice we need to hear. This is the first year that an Independent Party candidate stands to get elected. The dichotomy of left-right polarities (Dems-Reps) yields to the third force, which is the Trinity. As such, RFK is simply waiting for our call. He is like his father, who was also waiting for the call.
Such a shame that you've chosen this path. I used to really respect and enjoy your work.
Hi Alan,
At the risk of appearing interested and even nosy at your comment, can you explain what you are talking about? Bill Smith made a similar remark on the other thread, and then deleted all his comments. I only want to be objective, and if Charles Eisenstein is a good guy, which many people believe, then should we not get behind him? Please help me because I do not want to offend anybody. I appreciated Bill's comments, and then he went paranoid on me.
i am grateful for you , charles. to fight the Good Fight. an old odd expression perhaps we can change it to to Light the Good Light. i am with you all the way.
Yes, some people have a knee - jerk aversion to "environmentalism" because unfortunately it has been hijacked by people who have no love for life at all, to further their own agenda. The intention of genuine lovers of the Earth has never been to violently take away from humanity.