I have found myself walking away from discussions about the 'injection that shall not be named'. Mostly because I have become weary with trying to talk to people about this subject. It seems there is a social status quo that has people unable to hear anything else but the accepted rhetoric.-even when I quote some of their so-called experts in casting doubt. I have training in science and have worked as a microbiologist. This may even qualify me as an 'expert' in some circles. When I try to explain the 'science' that does not support the current rhetoric, I look at angry faces. As I have aged, I have gotten weary of living as an outcast because I have pushed back against many accepted paradigms in my life (I spent years and hours of time trying to get people to understand that pesticides were not good for our bodies). I think your call to stand up now will spur me on to (continue) to talk to people who approach me on this subject and try to show them another viewpoint. Being a social pariah seems to be what I came to this earth to do. Thank you Charles for reminding me.
[ ] https://youtu.be/SmfgTUjC_H4 mass formation - the psych phenomina that explains the herd adherence to the covid narrative. You are not a social pariah. You are the dayshift topographer in the free-range asylum of sleepwalkers.
I watched the video you suggested in your response to me. I was struck with Dr. Mathias commenting that there is what I call an aha moment regarding the unamenable phenomenon. It happened to me in December 2019. It was when I was perusing the news and saw mention of the new infection. The hair on my arms stood straight up. My partner said that it was nothing and would pass just like SARS, etc. I just looked at him and said that this was different-I did not know why or how it was different, only that something much darker was at work. He has since acknowledged how strange it was that I felt this from the beginning. I still do not know why I did. I believe some of us have an open intuitive channel that affects us. I hope all of us can get through these times with as much love and mutual support as possible. I will continue to express my opinions to those that challenge me and hope someday I will be able to see the world as a more sane place. Thanks again for sending the video. By the way, what is a dayshift topographer?
For some this is a religion. Looks that way for Ken. Even the creators of the "vaccine" admit it neither prevents spread nor infection. Look at the statistics from Israel.
I've thought this for a while now. Many of the vax pushers have a kind of religious fanaticism that defies science or logic. And we all know where that leads.
Almost right. It doesn’t prevent spread, it dramatically lowers it. I’m guessing you’re misinterpreting the Israeli statistics, but which are you looking at?
See I would, but then you guys would circulate antivax propaganda without anyone there to point out the lies and inconsistencies. If even one fence sitter gets vaccinated after seeing through this bs, the tiny amount of suffering prevented will be worth it
With all due respect, Ken- you are not the arbiter of truth here, nor will you convince anyone by calling them an anti-vaxer. Most of the people on here whom you would so handily label as "anti-vax" are likely very reasonable and intelligent people, who happen to have retained critical thinking skills despite the barrage of fear porn propaganda promulgated by the media which is regurgitated ad nauseum by "pro-vaxers" such as yourself. By my observation, the VAST MAJORITY of people who question the official narrative are the most educated people in the country, if not the world. Social media is censoring these people because the industrialists have control of all main-stream media and are conspiring (and succeeding) to stifle debate, and label anyone who questions ANYTHING they say as conspiracy theorists or anti-vaxers so that they can continue their rapacious profiteering at the expense of the middle class and the poor. This is an outright a war on sense-making, where impressionable people (ie yourself) have literally been brainwashed by media psy-ops to believe only what they tell you to believe, and are armed with brazen self righteous, virtue signaling, gas-lighting, fear fomenting, hysterical nonsense.
See I would just let you die if this was heart disease or cancer or something. But the problem is with letting you be a disease vector during a pandemic. I'm hoping you don't kill anyone I love before we achieve herd immunity.
Here's the olive branch I'll extend to you: If you and the rest of these antivax nutters want to go to a deserted island for two weeks, give yourselves covid, and come back with natural immunity, I'll stop trying to convince you to take the safe and effective vaccine. I'm not sure why you would want that, but sure.
What isn't morally tenable is moving through society not knowing if when or where you're going to be spreading disease. That's murder
I know several dozen people who have had covid and NONE- ZERO- of them went to the hospital. They were all fine within 2-5 days, one of them in their 80s! On the contrary, of the several dozen people I know who have had the jab, 2 of them came down with GBS- Gullain-Barre Syndrome- after the 2nd dose of the Pfizer jab. One is almost completely paralyzed and the other has extreme nerve pain. You seem like a smart troll, whats the percentage increased risk from the jab vs the virus, based on this anecdotal evidence?
Furthermore, my good friend who is an ER doc and head of the local covid task force said he diagnosed a person who had GBS (spinal tap test) which was 90% positively due to the vax, but the hospital workers responsible for reporting to VAERS would not believe him nor report it as an adverse reaction. How many adverse reactions do you think are not reported, or mis-diagnosed?
Implying that people moving throughout society unvaxed are akin to "murderers" is plain lunacy and completely unsupported by science. The survival rate of covid is greater than 99%, calling this a deadly disease is just plain nuts.
You been watching CNN too much bruh take a break its bad for your brain, obviously.
Point is, your one-note-symphony is infuriating when NO ONE KNOWS. Stop 'shedding-shoulding' on ppl. You just might be the super-spreader (btw, don't have sex--we don't know yet if the vaxx-spike antigen is in seminal fluid).
The olive branch I'll offer is that if you want to go to a deserted island, give yourself covid, wait two weeks and come back - you should be allowed into society. If not, it's immoral to walk around unvaxxed during a pandemic - not knowing when and where you're going to catch it and who you're going to spread it to
Ken, has no-one informed you that the vaccines are 'leaky'? Ie that the vaccinated can be infected and can also infect others? So what you write here is prejudiced nonsense.
You call yourself a man of science, so why are you not up to date with the latest science? We've known this since the CDC report of July 30th. The best you can claim is that the vaccines protect to some degree against infection, but even that is up for debate.
If you care about the science, perhaps look up the Covid 19 Surveillance Reports of Public Health England. Since a month they give figures of infections among vaccinated and unvaccinated, per age category. Amazingly, there are far more infections under unvaccinated people under 18, but above 40 there are far more infections under the vaccinated.
If you do the sums for the entire population, it's about equal, so no significant protection against infection among the vaccinated, meaning you're as likely to be infected by someone who is vaccinated as someone who is unvaccinated.
My interpretation of the nature of the problem is very different than yours.
Unlike bacteria, viruses are not living organisms. They are fragments of biological material that are integrated in various ways within our own metabolic process, some of them necessary for human health (i.e. the development of the human reproductive and immune systems).
Viruses cannot reproduce. WE reproduce them under certain conditions (environmental, dietary, behavioral, genetic and social) that require further study and understanding in order to deal with them appropriately.
Unfortunately, those who develop vaccines fail to consider these fundamental facts and their actions are based on grossly incomplete concept of the ecosystem required for human health (an absence of severe pathological reactions - most of which are of an auto-immune nature), and subscribe to the false duality of viral threat / vaccine panacea, instead.
But that's not how health works. That interpretation of the problem fails to consider the ecosystem society is currently living in, compared to the condition needed for a successful adaptation to the biological life support systems we require and biosphere we form part of.
Personally, I welcome the opportunity to help set the record straight. (People like the founder of MicroSoft -known to known to establish anti-competitive monopolies- who has actively participated in the creation of gavi.org in 2000 and promoted the need to develop vaccines for corona viruses as the most serious threat to humanity since 2015, have no competence in this matter).
jillster, I think it is as you say: you are a very intuitive person. We all could sense that if we beliefed or knew we can. I am currently training to find out when*s the right time to speak out and when to remain silent. You'll know that it's right when it feels right. Do the words come naturally and without inner disturbance (as it is the case when we are acting out trauma responses) ? Then your words come from a different source than your ego-self. This is the place where true revolutions will come from. You might want to check auf Franz Renggli. He's a psychologist from Basel, Switzerland and he talks about that in an interview. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7chJWLweuI (Quite the normal Insanity - A short Cultural History of the Mother-Child-Relationship). Unfortunaltely it is in German with no translation available yet. But I'll be happy to translate parts of it for you if you resonate with this.
It's not really that complex. Speak out when you have something to say that evidence can support. Stop speaking out when you find yourself rooting for the disease during a pandemic
I encourage you to learn from Jason Christoff about the way mind control really works. That's what's happened. Tremendous mind control layers built over time.
Ken - Corrupt science. Corrupt media. Corrupt medicine. Corrupt government. It’s clear that you trust them all, and are happy to spread their corrupt propaganda. You have an impossible sell with this crowd. You really should go waste your time on a more gullible crowd.
Science isn’t a psychological phenomena, it’s a process of testing hypotheses and analyzing data. Adherence to the covid narrative - presumably that there’s a deadly disease and an easy way to stop it - is not the result of brainwashing. It’s based on the vast preponderance of evidence of what is actually happening on planet earth right now
There's a doctor on there from Houston who thinks covid comes from aliens having sexual encounters with humans; calls it demon sperm. You are not alone!
Jillster. There is an excellent interview with a clinical psychologist , Matthias Desmet, where he explains this phenomena you’ve described….and how to combat it…by not stopping speaking out. I know what you mean about being weary…it’s probably even more maddening for people like you who have the expertise. I’ll post this here 👍
Hey lovely lady, you did not come here for that pariah stuff. Throw that label right out the window. You like the rest of us are here to shine your particular kind of light into the dark shadows. And just buy being here you are doing just that. Shine on my dear... shine on!!!!
No need for me to write another comment to the subject. I, a MD, PhD (in biochemistry), face the same obstacles you are running up against.
"When I try to explain the 'science' that does not support the current rhetoric, I look at angry faces. As I have aged, I have gotten weary of living as an outcast because I have pushed back against many accepted paradigms in my life... Being a social pariah seems to be what I came to this earth to do."
I am in the boat with you, my friend, and I am confident the boat is quite spacey holding hundreds of thousands of similar minds. Sadly, most of us are not interconnected, pulling on the same rope.
Goodness. I resonate with all you say, except for without a background in science I don’t have an articulate argument like you do, just my intuition. Please keep sharing your viewpoint x
I grew up in a family of doctors. I was also married to one and I spent years abdicating my own intuition. I did not inform myself sufficiently, but always listened to the advice or firmly expressed opinions by my doctor uncles and treating physicians, whom I looked up to. My mother did the same. Sadly, I received medical interventions that really harmed me. I watched others be harmed. I have rheumatoid arthritis. I manage it with alternative treatment methods and occasional aspirin. I was told aspirin causes ulcers. Then Celebrex came onto the market. Yae, "Celebrex won't do that! Change from aspirin to Celebrex." I didn't. A friend of mine was so excited and did. He ended up in the hospital with an ulcer. 50% of treatments that are recommended by physicians in the trenches are not proven scientifically. Doctoring is a healing art. There is more at play than just science. I know a physician who did research and came up with a new diagnosis. Once he had done the research it went to the powers that be to be evaluated whether it would be accepted in the official diagnosis manual. He joked: "And now it is up to the political process!" Every human action is the result of many factors. So is medicine and science. Bear with me. I am still responding to: " I resonate with all you say, except for without a background in science I don’t have an articulate argument like you do, just my intuition." Miranda, my story is about the importance of intuition. For so many years I abdicated my intuition even as a mother. My 14 y.o. daughter had eczema and her hands were permanently infected. Her doctor put her on low-grade anti-biotics for more than half a year. It seriously affected the health of her gut. I wish I could do it over. Yes, I seriously abdicated my inner knowing, until.........my son was put on lithium for behavioral issues. Almost immediately he fell asleep. I couldn't rouse him. I called the psychiatrist. "Lithium doesn't do that." At that point my inner Mother Bear woke up. "The rehearsal was over". I began to question and do my own research. A long journey started more than 30 years ago to figure out what was ailing my son and also my daughter. I began to see that some of my own physical problem were not dissimilar to my son's and daughter's. I began to heal our immune-systems. Although my ex did not necessarily stop me from going the alternative route, he also had a very hard time with it and questioned it intensely. For a while I had to put on blinders and go forward one step at a time. I am happy to share that my son and daughter are thriving. And I? I am so much better and continue to strengthen my immune-system with classical Chinese medicine. I am 71 years old. I have the privilege to keep to myself and be safe. But after all the work I have done I surely am not going to tax my system anymore than needed with what I consider an experimental vaccine while the government continues to support the food industry and the agricultural industry with a lack of emphasis on preventative health. Nor am I going to stay quiet when I see things that need to be spoken up about. I prefer to use the word courage as opposed to bravery. Courage comes from the heart, knowing that you need to act even when you are scared, bravery denies being scared and then pretends be brave when you go into battle. I believe when we act from bravery we contribute to the polarizing conversation. The rehearsal is over. Intuition needs to also be listened to.
And this is exactly why this forum is problematic. You've convinced poor scientifically illiterate Miranda here that science hasn't already conclusively determined that the vaccine is safe and effective when it has.
Conclusively determined safety with less than a year of data can't determine safety from long term effect. In any case, safety is a relative concept. One might consider a vaccine with <0.01% complication rate for children to be safe. ... of course one might also argue the same for the virus with respect to the young without commorbidities. It is essentially safe for them ie of negligible risk.
History is our only guide. Humanity has never had a vaccine show side effects after a year. At this point there have been over 6 billion safely administered doses. If you gave everyone a peanut, you'd have more deaths
I agree that the virus isn't very dangerous for young people without comorbidities. The push to vaccinate them is that if it can be determined to be safe through clinical trials, then it's one more opportunity to reduce the spread in society
It's not though. And you don't have to be a social pariah, you're choosing that antisocial behavior by choosing to spread disease in your community. And if you're 80, you're the one we're trying to protect!
There have been some 4,000,000,000 people globally who have had at least one shot of the various Covid vaccines.
I mean, if you gave anything to 4,000,000,000 (even peanuts) there’s always going to be a smal minority who have an adverse reaction.
No doubt some adverse events have been silenced. Whether we’ll intentioned or otherwise, that was a mistake and that lends to concerns, so it was a wrong to do so.
But if there was some really big, underlying issue or problem with these vaccines, it would be so large and obvious by now that it would be impossible to hide or ignore.
That’s just common sense.
As to listen to experts, I’d like to direct you to Professor Peter Doherty.
He won a Nobel Prize for his work on the human immune system and how it deals with viruses.
He’s widely regarded as the world’s foremost expert and has never had his work debunked.
Personally I would think it egregiously foolish to ignore his views.
You're right, it IS impossible to ignore and that's becoming the bigger issue. FB sites like Canadian Deaths and Adverse Injuries report case after case of death, stroke, heart attack, and more. The VAERS site has recorded over ten thousand deaths so far, along with hundreds of thousands of serious life changing injuries and since it's a voluntary reporting system the reality is it reflects a fraction of the total. It is indeed LARGE AND OBVIOUS!!! IMPOSSIBLE TO HIDE OR IGNORE, even when people like yourself insist on trolling the pages of people needing to talk about it without being persecuted for expressing themselves freely. The people you're referring to as 'a minority' have lives, they have families, and they have a VOICE that many like myself want to hear, so we can make informed decisions for ourselves. The fact that you need to silence them speaks loudest of all. You're part of the problem if you insist that nobody should have the freedom to make their own choices about whether to risk injecting themselves with something potentially deadly, or let their own immune systems do their jobs.
That's just not how those reporting systems work Maxine. Anyone who dies the week after the vaccine is reported to VAERS. That doesn't mean that those people died of the vaccine. If someone dies of a heart attack after the vaccine, it gets reported to VAERS. At that point the CDC starts compiling data of the percentage of people who died from a heart attack after the vaccine and compare it to the background percentage of people who died of a heart attack. If those percentages are the same, it's concluded that the vaccine did not cause the heart attack. I realize that you will never be able to convince a grieving widow who lost her husband to a heart attack and is now blaming the vaccine, but that's why anecdotes are not statistics. I hope this makes sense to you because it is the most prevalent misunderstanding I see repeated over and over in the antivax community
Hi Ken, it's me again :) You're paragraphing the Vaers disclaimer, and similar texts can found on similar web sites in other countries. This disclaimer has always struck me as exceedingly odd. If it works as you say, why is that compiled later research not published, alongside the Vaers data, so we know all that's really going on? Why let that data stand there as it is? Like this it just gives, supposedly, a completely misleading impression. Given how the powers that are have tried to sweep vaccine side-effects under the carpet, you'd reckon it's the first thing they do.
I always believed the Vaers disclaimer without asking further questions, but I also now know two people who have had serious side-effects from the vaccines: one previously healthy 65-year old woman is now dead, and a sports teacher in his 30s has ongoing heart issues he did not have before. I know several people who have had covid, but all these people are OK now. It makes you scratch your head, and suspect that the real reason the compiled data is not published is because it would actually validate the numbers on Vaers and make a mockery of that disclaimer.
The main text reads very re-assuring, but when you then read the Vaccine Analysis Prints at the bottom, and add up the deaths, it comes to an amount that's proportionally similar to those on Vaers, and the Lareb side in Holland.
I think it's time to take that disclaimer with a grain of salt and really look at the evidence.
The whole point is that science isn't a religion, all of the evidence free holistic healing alternatives that Eisenstein is peddling are religious in nature. So I'm supposed to believe him specifically because there isn't any evidence to support it? Makes no sense
Okay, hold on to that first paragraph. "Given how the powers that are have tried to sweep vaccine side-effects under the carpet, you'd reckon [hiding VAERS] is the first thing they'd do." Don't you see how the implication of your realization is that they are not trying to sweep vaccine side-effects under the rug! The information is made public so that everyone can see that the vaccines are safe! Which the data shows!
Amazing. This sounds remarkably similar to how COVID deaths are reported. Died + COVID POSITIVE= COVID caused death. But I'm sure I can find a similar post in which you've gone back and correlated with other comorbidities to deconvolute the true COVID fatality rate from confounding causes (if you were being intellectually honest). .... or you could just look at all cause mortality, but that might not give the answer you need to push your narrative.
If someone dies from a car accident with covid, they aren't considered a covid caused death. I'll even give you that it's possible that some covid deaths have been overreported and that some of the people who died with covid would've died anyway: not any of the people who died from pneumonia, but cancer patients come to mind.
More important for this discussion is the fact that that overreporting if it exists would be evenly spread through the unvaxxed and vaxxed populations, so it wouldn't impact data showing the tremendous effectiveness of the vaccines
If you really believe these "vaccines" are safe and effective, I fear your news sources are compromised. Patents on this virus / pandemic go back to the late 90s.
US Patent number 7220852. Look it up on the US Patent website. Easily found. I dare you. Filed in 2007 BY THE CDC (Center for Disease Control) so they can OWN and MAKE MONEY off not only the gene sequence associated with covid 19 (which is 99% identical to the flu; the other 1% being the metalic bits and God knows what else added in); as well as the PCR tests themselves. The CDC OWNS the patent for the PCR tests AND the 'virus'. You think they really want this to end?
Maxine, the flu isn't even a coronavirus, but that's not the point. Scientists have sequenced every virus they could find with the hope of one day being able to cure them. They've just recently created vaccines for Ebola and Malaria too. The CDC is a government agency dedicated to public health, they aren't a for profit corporation
You guys are so deep in conspiracy theory land that it's hard to communicate with you
Can't possibly be 77th. I would have thought that anyone working for 77th would actually be convincing and effective, rather than combative, otherwise they wouldn't doing their job. Hounding people on the basis of emphatically stated false assertions is just a dopamine kick.
I'm glad that you realize that actual experts would be convincing! At least you seem to know that logic and data are on their side. So why are you still antivax then?
Just looked up the 77th. I live in California dude. Glad there is a group of people out there taking on your lies and propaganda! You're killing people
Behavioural psychology has been weaponised against the people. Keep faith and join a like-minded community to understand how to navigate the narrative divide. Free resources here and weekly live interactive sessions on the pscyhology for conversation that reach people and for managing our emotional and energetic state as we try: https://reachingpeople.website
Great idea. Surround yourself in an echo chamber where nobody will question your alternative facts while you turn yourself into a disease vector during a pandemic and can't figure out why the rest of society just disinvited you to the party
Or you could listen to what the fast majority of epidemiologists in every country on the planet are telling us. Stop being a social pariah and stop spreading antivax lies
Here is a link to a video interview with Mattias Desmet that may explain what we are dealing with. We all have been subjected to an unprecedented level of "fear porn" in the last year and a half that has affected us more than we may realize. Just as an individual can be hypnotized, a whole society can similarly be affected as Mattias Desmet claims:
"Does it sometimes feel like you’re surrounded by people who’ve been hypnotised in some way? Well, maybe you are.
My guest tonight is Mattias Desmet, Professor of Clinical Psychology at Ghent University in Belgium, and his observations over the past 18 months have led him to conclude that the overwhelming majority have indeed fallen under a kind of spell.
Except it’s not actually a spell, of course: the term for it is ‘mass formation’ and right now it’s manifesting as a psychological response — not unlike hypnosis — to the unrelenting, single-focus campaign of fear to which we have all been subjected.
Join me at 5pm when I will explore with Mattias what triggers and sustains this mass response, where it could ultimately lead us, why a minority somehow manages to remain unaffected, and whether there’s anything we can collectively do to break the spell before it’s too late."
@jillster Your response to this article is totally inspiring. Thank you for writing down your thoughts and feelings about this. It is very very helpful for other people to read what Charles and you have written. I have no idea who you are but I'm proud of and grateful to you.
yes. yes. The rehearsal is over. I can now see that I will be speaking to my retired community of 450 souls who, with the exception of me and one other, are participating in the injection program that will not be named. Many limits to my movement are laid out in weekly restriction notices. I am able to live with the isolation and exclusions; but they are not reasonable. So, I will be speaking out. Thank you Charles for your ongoing . . . humble leadership and sweet and generative and life-giving storytelling. I am seeing ways to proceed, yes.
What did you think of Charles’ “Mob Morality and the Unvaxxed” article?
I found it enlightening. In the end he suggests we all respect each other’s choices. This is the only way through imho. A lot of people will die. There’s no stopping it. And the virus will continue to evolve and become more resistant to the vaccinations.
It’s my belief that Mother Earth is cleansing her body of the human viral load that has done nothing but consume and destroy for centuries. I’m not afraid to die. It is what it is and we can’t avoid death.
I’m choosing to get vaccinated for social reasons and one beautiful reason is because one day I look forward to meeting my 10 week old granddaughter, she’s my first.
But the biggest danger is vaccinated people blaming the non vaxxed for the spread of it which is simply untrue.
Well, I haven't read that one, but if you're just hoping that a lot of people die to bring about ecological balance then I guess it makes sense to be antivax. The other way to reduce the population is to voluntarily decrease the birth rate - which I personally find to be a much more beautiful world than increasing the death rate. I'm glad you've chosen to get vaccinated regardless.
Ken is being his very own mob. Just one person, I assume, behind a keyboard badgering. Ken, please go away. You are spamming. The author has the right to delete your relentless protests and rioting against things you do not believe. but honestly, you are like a fruit fly
Go burn up someone else's discussion blog. You are incessant and pitiful
See I would, but then you'd be free to spread your lies and propaganda unchecked. And I don't want my parents to die from your ignorance. Btw I responded to your requests for evidence above even though it's literally everywhere seeing how it's the dominant narrative of 99% of all public health scientists, doctors, and epidemiologists
Well I think Ken is doing a great job of holding down the fort! He is not the only one who feels the way he does - but he is the most prolific in terms of posts - saves the rest of us from having to spend time - frankly it can be exhausting, as i have found by doing the same thing in other venues ... so Keep it up, Ken. Thanx!
Btw, you do realize that "fruit flies" have been the source of a lot of scientific discoveries ; )
I love the old Charles before he became an antivax guru. I'm here responding to misinterpretations of statistics and science with the hope that a casual reader won't come across this site and be swayed by lies into thinking that the antivax movement offers anything evidence based besides more disease and suffering
So many of my favorite spiritual writers are anti vax now. I don't get it but my respect for these teachers has plummeted. Why not just stay silent instead of promoting fear and anxiety?
Ken, we are all reading the CDC data as well as everything else we can find. We have open minds and open hearts. We are not afraid. We have been watching and listening carefully since the beginning. We don’t resort to name calling and shaming. We keep searching for answers.
Just a stupid question which I’m sure you’ve thought of : have you tried suing the charter in the community on the basis of violation of ADA rights ? They might back down really quickly at this point.
Thank you Charles. You are a voice of sanity for me. I am seeking leaders I can trust, as all of the leaders I used to look up to have collapsed and gone along with the program. All of my Quaker friends, the pope, the Dalai Lama, the large US and international Yoga organizations, Ammachi. Where are the social justice activists I used to study with, the ones I got arrested with at the Nevada Test Center? All gone, silent. This has been a massive disillusionment for me. I am realizing that I have to be a leader now. I am seeking openings to speak up, to find like minded people to undertake significant action with. Gandhi took decades to prepare his program of action. It seems we don't have that much time. Violence and anger will not help. Clarity and meaningful resistance can move us forward. I'm seeking a way in but I can't see it yet.
I live a life of incredible privilege ~ my husband retired recently and we moved to Arizona where we enjoy relative freedom. We don't work for anybody mandating anything on us, and I can mostly avoid wearing a mask.
BUT... when he was hospitalized overnight last month I was unable to visit him. So painful, so unnecessary. How to protest that? Maybe supporting others in a similar situation whose loved ones are in longer than mine was? And helping them resist the exclusion of visitors?
I had three invitations to go to California this month, and I turned all down, simply because of not wanting to be in an environment where masks were the norm and testing would be expected/required. I am covid-recovered, with screenshots of my wild-type antibody tests from when I donated blood, so this all makes no sense. None at all.
I'm an author of books for women, and speaking to my audience about this would likely be my greatest leverage. You called me out in your article by saying we can't wait, there is no safety. I haven't wanted to be attacked by clients and readers, many of whom would disagree with me, so I have not spoken up that often. I'm so used to the previous political divides, and the new ones still bewilder me. But where is the dignity in staying quiet? I've done a few webinars for my email list on natural immunity, on gain of function research, the effects of lockdowns on children, on what is inside of this (yes) substance-that-shall-not-be-named. And still I feel that my efforts have been totally minor, a measly small fraction of what is actually needed. And of what I could be doing.
I'm staying open to the right way in, to collaborations, to finding my voice and expressing it. Thank you for your voice here.
Laura, your comment here is a wonderful start, as is your realization that you need to take ownership of your own knowledge and wisdom rather than relying on external sources such as leaders. It is because rational, grounded people like you have been peer-pressured into silence that the gullible majority thinks only crackpot-tin-foil-flat-earthers are the ones questioning the blatantly contrived narrative. We need more brave voices like yours in the resistance to lunacy and tyranny.
I recommend starting with a Substack blog. You don’t have to share it with anyone you know. Just get your thoughts down in a way you feel they might be willing to hear. Then, when you are ready to share and they are ready to listen, start sharing one by one with individuals you trust, and then let the conversation bloom from there. I wish you well on your creative, scientific, and spiritual journey.
Right there with you, Laura Jean, on "staying open to the right way in." I am also in deep listening and, Charles, your beautiful article today is reverberating and resounding loudly. Thank you.
Unfortunately you’re deeply listening to people who are spreading lies during this pandemic. Think critically. Claims have to have statistical evidence or it’s just heresay and anecdotes - the foundation of the antivax movement
You are the only one listening to lies here bruh, the lies on the news. I rely on real-world information from my local area, not the news, not you, not anyone unless it passes real world rigor. Your confidence only comes from google, and we all know what you get on google- one side.
Laura, there are many of us who align with the left who "get it."' One is RFK, JR with his Children's Health Defense (.org)--go there for some real support, another is Naomi Wolf. Jimmy Dore is coming onboard. Then there are some of us who are not famous who are on this daily. Political barriers are breaking down and there is a commonality in support of the values of bodily integrity. liberty, and actual clinically based science instead of pompous prono0uncement from bureaucrat"authorities." See also Physicians Declaration Global Covid Summit, with over 12,000 signatories of doctors, other medical professionals and others in related sceintific fields.
Jon, I, too, have been encouraged to see elements of the left who have seen through the COVID narrative and have been bravely pushing back against authoritarianism. Left Lockdown Sceptics, Nevermore Media, and Winter Oak Press are a few that come to mind. I write a bit about how inspiring it has been for me to see people from every shade of the political spectrum coming together across the artificial partisan divides in this piece: https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/with-thanks-to-you-you-magnificent
Of course, those who dare counter the narrative (e.g., Naomi Wolf, Glenn Greenwald) subsequently get smeared and branded as heretics, but I think (hope) anyone rational can recognize those for the lowdown hit pieces they are.
You are kindred spirit Margaret. I have been an anti imperialist since 1966, and a Green for 30 years, and we have a national group of around 40 of us in communication about the covid repression. Most Greens however do not see the parallel between the military industrial complex and the medical industrial complex.
So much to say to and with you. I'd like to have a way to contact you that is not on display for every one here to see. I'm inundated with emails and do not want to give out a private phone number (too many robo calls now). I never joined FB or other social media and glad I had the wisdom to avoid them. My own book is LIBERATE HAWAI'I! While living on Oahu for 36 years, I learned from my Hawaiian scholar-activists about the true history--namely that only CONTROL and not SOVEREIGNTY passed to the US in 1898. They want their country back! Looking it up on Amazon will give you more info. Aloha, Jon
Thank you for your good and important work, Jon! The easiest way to get in touch with me is to sign up for my mailing list (if you haven’t already) and reply to the Welcome email.
Natural immunity is fine - for those lucky enough to have it - but those folks who died from this disease didn't have it or enough of it - that's what vaccines are for, to train the immune system before it is overwhelmed by infection ....
I’ve been an activist for 60yrs and it’s done nothing to stop the elite who control everything. I gave up a decade ago because raging against the machine almost killed me.
I believe there are worse things coming and billions will eventually die, if not from a virus, merely murdering each other just because we disagree. It feels like we are devolving instead of evolving. Just devastating.
Yup, it seems like people don’t care about their fellow humans these days. You can’t even convince people on this website to get a free, safe, and effective vaccine to protect their neighbors from disease
I am/was a Quaker here in Boston area of Massachusetts. I find Quakers and Quaker gatherings to especially alienating for me now.........If you get this message and can write me back here it might be a way to find each other. I, too, am trying to learn how to speak out and where I can speak out.
Or all of those activists who have turned against you aren’t brainwashed, but actually support the life saving efforts of modern medicine. When you go against science, and promote evidence free alternative healing modalities, you’re selling snake oil cures in a pandemic. This is the path Charles has chosen. Don’t follow him blindly towards disease and destruction.
I will agree that if you’ve already had covid and can show that you have immunity, that should count as a vaccine
Ken: Glad to see you agree with the science that shows overwhelmingly that someone recovered from covid has far more comprehensive immunity than a person vaxed. But what say you to the narrative, where this truth is silenced? That narrative should make you question the push for the vax altogether. There is undeniably an agenda.
How so? The worst case scenario if the vaccination drives fail is that everyone ends up getting covid, millions more die, and we’re eventually immune that way. The vaccine push is trying to prevent that nightmare scenario of wanton death and disease
You can't just vax away years of poor health decisions. If the govt wanted people to be healthy they would be passing out Vitamin C and vegetables, instead of enticing people to get the jab with doughnuts- yes doughnuts, pretty much the least healthy food you can eat. You can't make this shit up!
Well, as someone from the health community - tell me, should medical folks refuse to treat those who have made "poor health decisions"? You do realize that would include a whole lot of people - including, perhaps, those who refused vaccinations ...
Ken, if it were simply about trying to prevent "wanton death and disease", then why wouldn't covid antibodies in the recovered be accepted as equal to, or better, than the vax? The reason is obvious - the vax itself is part of the agenda. That and the "covid passports."
Yup, I agree with you on that: covid antibodies should count. What do you think the agenda is besides preventing people from getting sick? I think to the scientific community's mind, they know that the vaccine is safe and effective and probably weren't anticipating this crazy antivax response. If the antivax community just wanted to get their covid antibody levels checked, and argue that they are not a danger to society post infection, I think scientific studies could be done around that. Maybe they already have, i haven't looked into it. I have heard of people getting covid multiple times, but then again breakthrough vaccine infections exist. I'm interested to learn more
Great. And millions have died worldwide because that's what our bodies do when our immune systems fail against a disease. Getting vaccinated teaches your immune system how to fight this
Yes, the rehearsal is over. Here in British Columbia a non-injected person is truly a second class citizen who cannot travel by train or plane, who cannot go to restaurants, conferences, meetings, museums, concerts, movies, etc., who cannot work in health care or for the provincial or federal government, and in an increasing number of private companies. This is a country whose prime minister is explicitly and viciously attacking the non-injected, telling them that he wants to make their lives miserable; this is a country where a health minister is telling the citizenry that immunocompromized people should not be near the non-injected and that everyone should learn to ask strangers if they are injected or not. Once-friendly neighbours are turning on suspected non-injected people and insulting them, treating them as pariah.
This should be the time for me to act, to be brave. But it is not the time yet. What is one to do without a community, in a soulless suburb, not knowing anyone? It is not the time yet but it feels like time is of the essence and I will push myself to reach beyond the limited horizons of my deadly suburban comfort.
How ironic that comparisons to the treatment of a certain religious group in Germany are considered fanciful or insulting. Remember that Anne Frank did her part by hiding in an attic. She didn't know that she was doing that so that her words would survive her, but that is what happened.
Perhaps your role right now is to survive and witness what your country is doing to its people. You can document it - perhaps collect photographs and videos and your observations. Remember that much of the world turned a blind eye while the events in Germany took place. But there was also a resistance that operated undercover, doing what they could to resist what was happening.
I am very moved by your response! We often feel that we have to do something big to confront situations of totalitarian control but your response reminds me of the importance of the act of witnessing and documenting, keeping eyes open and the human need for freedom and community alive.
Is every law totalitarian control? If someone wants to drive a car with no brakes through a school zone are you fine with that in the name of personal freedom?
You would have made a good little Hitler, too bad. You probably have no idea what actually happened in Nazi Germany and how our country funded everything to stop the Bolshevik revolution? The Prescott Bush, Henry Ford, the Rockefellers- all made lots of money while supporting both sides! Then they went on to create schools based on the Prussian model which had been subversively programming our kids to be obedient little Hitlers. They would be proud of you! I am sure you take every opportunity to shove neo-liberal propaganda down the throats of your innocent students, maybe even toss some CRT in there just cuz its so true, eh?
Many, many cases where people in hospitals are given the poisonous substance called Remdesivir and put on a ventilator. This "treatment" assures a rapid path to death, financial rewards for the hospital administration, and one less person collecting social security and medicare. The ghost of Joseph Mengele must be looking on with pride.
I am also from BC, in Victoria. Perhaps exchanges like these can help connect people of like minds (read un-injected). Besides all the affects noted by oac, I have also experienced the daughter who won't ride in my vehicle, visit me indoors, or allow me to hug her or her daughter (who already had a mild case of the unnamed) because I am supposedly a 'danger' to them. It breaks my heart to know there are families everywhere being torn apart by the leaders' choices promoting division. Thank you Charles for your continued voice of sanity in a world gone mad.
I am so sorry to read that you have to live through the shattering experience of having your own close family reject you in this way. I have a similar experience within my own family and it is absolutely heart breaking. The scope of the mental and physical harms engendered by this totalitarian response is unfathomable. We have to stay strong in the knowledge that we are many to see through the fog of propaganda, and that eventually some truth will force its way through the layers of lies and deception.
Thank you for your kind words. It is so true that staying strong by living my truth through the fog of propaganda is the way forward, plus speaking my truth with compassion when presented with the opportunity.
“It is simply no longer possible to believe much of the clinical research that is published, or to rely on the judgment of trusted physicians or authoritative medical guidelines. I take no pleasure in this conclusion, which I reached slowly and reluctantly over my two decades as an editor of The New England Journal of Medicine.” Dr. Marcia Angell
The case against science is straightforward: much of the scientific literature, perhaps half, may simply be untrue. Afflicted by studies with small sample sizes, tiny effects, invalid exploratory analyses, and flagrant conflicts of interest, together with an obsession for pursuing fashionable trends of dubious importance, science has taken a turn towards darkness… The apparent endemicity of bad research behaviour is alarming. In their quest for telling a compelling story, scientists too often sculpt data to fit their preferred theory of the world. Or they retrofit hypotheses to fit their data.”
“Journal editors deserve their fair share of criticism too. We aid and abet the worst behaviours. Our acquiescence to the impact factor fuels an unhealthy competition to win a place in a select few journals. Our love of “significance” pollutes the literature with many a statistical fairy-tale. We reject important confirmations.” - Richard Horton, editor in chief of the lancet
Genuine science adheres to acatual verifiable evidence. Compromised (faux) science is ethically compromised by financial rewards and those with microscopic consciences that are overridden by greed. Those appear to be dominant now.
Good god. It’s not totalitarianism. It’s basic medical advice. Legit crazy that you both chose to tear apart your families rather than capitulate to science
Hey there, I'm also in Victoria - so it's nice to find another local on here. If you have FB, there are a few groups that reject the mandates and don't endorse the big V. Have you connected with any other locals of like mind?
Ken, your view is completely and utterly understood. Totally. You're not getting it. This is a hackneyed response that has become so tiresome, I'm exhausted just trying to deal with it, but you're here, in this sacred space, and I'll continue to endeavor with the greatest of kindness and hopefully we can come to an understanding.
Being unvaccinated does not = being infected. I hope you get this. Do you?
Being vaccinated does not = being uninfected. You get this, right? I assume that you do. Breakthrough cases are already common and will become more so. The cats out of the bag on that one.
Not all cohorts are the same, by a long shot and from kids to elders, it's a 10,000x exponential leap in risk. I hope you get this too.
Vectors of disease -- let's talk about it.
A privilege? Come on now. Let's be intellectually honest when engaging.
These vaccines, like most other than the ones people keep applying their false equivalencies to such as MMR, Smallpox, and Polio, are non-sterlizing vaccines. On top of that, they've turned out to be particularly "leaky" which is problematic for any hope of eradicating this virus down to zero.
Because it's non-sterilizing, not a single viral-replication-host is ever removed from the reservoir pool. We could vaccinate the entire world population and it wouldn't eradicate this virus. This is problematic for mandates, passports, and the rest of the over-the-top draconian measures being taken that yes, are actually tyrannical and not based on science at all. No one should be losing a single job due to their vaccination choices. The only way to tell, at any snapshot of time, who is infected and who is not, is to test and assess symptoms. That's it. Vaccination status means nothing.
The PH officials know this and are criminally negligent. There is a lot to say about the way that this is being handled and the psychological warfare that is being implemented. I'll leave that for now. It's too involved.
The risk is not in being unvaccinated. This is disingenuous messaging. Tragic for anyone, unfortunately for the elderly, obese, and the very unhealthy with vascular and other comorbidities, they are overwhelmingly the cohort at risk of hospitalization and death. This high-risk group, with their backs against the wall, would do well to get vaccinated and to get as healthy as they possibly can -- something we should all be doing, but a message you'll never hear from a single PH official, nor will you get an encouraging word, but only fear.
There is more to say here about children, transmission, etc. that I will save for another comment should anyone care to continue this discussion.
Our first and foremost civil-duty is to recognize government overreach morphing into authoritarianism and to push back. Governments across the globe have taken the opportunity to use this pandemic to grab far too much power and control. Once ceded, historically, it's never given back. In Australia, New Zealand, France, Greece, Italy, Nigeria, Canada, it's far worse than here and we have our nightmare in NYC, but they are harbingers of things to come if we allow it and we must not.
Centralized digital passports and where they lead, are dystopian. We are on a threshold right now of forever leaving all democracy behind and moving into a future no one wants but most do not see coming.
Please, Ken, stop viewing this group of people as benighted. In this view you would be incorrect. Expand your awareness out on this and relax into a different perspective, one you are entirely familiar with, but the inculcation is very deep. We've all had to extricate ourselves from it to a greater or lesser degree. This is not a finger-wave at you -- not in the least. Peace.
1. The vaccinated spread disease at a much lower rate than the unvaccinated (though yes, it isn't 100% either way). Simple county by county comparisons of vaccine rate to covid case rate proves this beyond the shadow of a doubt.
2. It is definitely a privilege to chose to be antivax. This forum is full of rich white young healthy people (my biased assumption) who believe that they should be able to do whatever they want, whenever they want regardless of how it affects the most vulnerable among us.
3. All you have to do to eradicate the virus is drop the disease's R-value (the number of people an infected person then infects) down to below 1. Any effort to reduce the spread does this, and vaccinations and masking in indoor public spaces are the two most effective ways to do so.
4. Nobody is discouraging at risk groups from getting healthy. Or honestly from doing any of the evidence free holistic health measures that Charles is promoting. But when he promotes them as alternatives to vaccines, he is playing a role in leading society away from what has evidence that it works and towards a increase in death, disease, and human suffering.
5. Public health measures are not some kind of draconian authoritarianism. You're also not allowed to defecate in the town's water supply while screaming my body, my choice - even if you don't understand why that's a problem because you never passed statistics in high school. It's just part of being in society.
5b. Our first and foremost civic duty is to protect each other in a time of crisis. Choosing to be a disease vector by refusing to do the two things that have been conclusively shown to lesson the rate of transmission (getting vaccinated and masking in indoor public spaces) is the opposite of that civic responsibility.
6. Centralized digital passports already exist. They're called passports. There are whole hosts of immunizations you have to show to enter countries: yellow fever, etc. Because they don't want you to become a disease vector.
6b. What's truly distopian is a world in which there is a disease spreading and a simple easy solution in hand, which a group of people have created a culture around refusing because they don't want to admit that Western Medicine ever did anything worthwhile.
I appreciate your reasonable tone. I'd appreciate it a lot more if it came with a promise to do what you can to not accidentally kill my parents and the other people I love with comorbidities. They're going to be the collateral damage in this community's anti-science hissy fit
By this time I'm getting the idea that the best way to read through this discussion is to skip all the comments made by Ken. Much more beneficial and informative. Bye Ken.
Before I go, can you tell me something? Have you been reading Charles' writings for awhile? What is it about this community that you once seemed to enjoy but are challenged with right now?
Thanks for your reply, Ken. I got what you said. I will respond later as it's 1:40 in the morning. Hopefully we can inch closer to some greater understanding of the various positions here.
Hi, nce to hear from another Victorian. I haven’t looked for any of the FB groups but I will check it out. I have a few friends and family who don’t care about my status but the group is small. Keep strong.
Or just get vaccinated. No politician destroyed your family because you won’t take basic health and safety precautions during a global pandemic. That’s on you
I think all of us are underusing the option of our social platforms. We need to talk more, share more, invite others in the discussion. I know a lot of people who are terrified of the situation and feeling isolated, feeling afraid to talk. I open my FB in the morning and see only pictures of cats and meals. But I know from their shy responces here and there what these FB friends are realy thinking and feeling right now. The most important is to vocal! So others do not think, that they are alone!
Someone in my town literally put up a flyer to the effect of “are you feeling alone and isolated and rejected? Let’s come together and see that we are many.” They we’re torn down almost as fast as he could get them up. But no matter—once a few of the right people saw it and photographed it, it went all over the county by text. A potluck was planned. A HUNDRED PEOPLE SHOWED UP. Don’t think that you can’t find the people around you who are feeling isolated like you, because you can!!
If we really get organized, we can have our own superspreader event - because covid is obviously a fake disease. And the bodies in the hospitals are mannequins designed to scare you
Well, a lot of us who would read and agree with this article avoid social media like the plague (that Covid isn't). For better or worse, I would no sooner subscribe to Facebook, Twitter, et al. than genuflect before the powerful.
You are absolutely right. I had never used social media before this pandemic response but reluctantly decided to join T. (the bird) to seek like-minded perspectives, to ensure that I was not alone. Although I have found the vibe of social media unsettling and addictive, it has provided me with invaluable sources of information, and a rich diverse community of people with interesting perspectives. However, even if that daily virtual contact has been truly helpful, it cannot replace human contact, and can at times highlight the lack of a real in-person community even more.
Or, and here me out here, stop spreading your antivax lies and go get vaccinateed so humanity can end this pandemic and get back to actual community. In highly vaccinated areas, the disease is in remission and society is coming together. It's such an obvious, simple, and safe solution to everyone's problems
Spoken like a true tyrant. Congratulations you have been successfully indoctrinated into the neo-liberal woke-iverse! I bet you think that The Great Reset is a great idea too huh?
Everyone can see what you're doing. You're trying to tie your opinions on vaccinations to your opinions on everything else. This isn't a political or cultural issue. It's a science issue. There is a disease and a simple, available, safe, and effective solution in hand.
Was there a disease in Jesus’s time that a group of people were adamant that it was their right to spread? I doubt they were that stupid. We’re devolving
Dude, or you could just get vaccinated protecting yourself and the people around you from getting covid. Nobody wants someone in their community who is committed to spreading disease during a pandemic
Thanks for your recommendation. You obviously are not engaging with any of the arguments presented either in the original article or this and other responses. Since your you are not engaging a conversation in good faith, I have no interest in a one-sided dialogue and wish you all the best in your endeavors.
You mean you’re not going to write me back because I don’t think you’re being brave by rejecting a vaccine during a pandemic? Sorry, but you’re not. You’re being an arrogant idiot who is elevating their fears of a safe and effective vaccine above the health of their community. The community is right to turn its back on you for that. You can re-enter humanity anytime you want. All you have to do is stop being selfish and starting protecting your neighbors during this crisis
You are so off the perspectives presented and discussed on this site that I am not sure what your intent is. I was polite in my previous message, wishing you well. As it is clear that you have a one-sided track repeating the mainstream corporate narrative ad nauseum, I bid you farewell, and politely ask you to fuck off.
See, I would, but then you’d be free to spread your lies unchecked by reason and a call for science and evidence. That’s the path of death and destruction. I don’t want any casual readers to come here and think this is a rational perspective because it’s not. I don’t want my loved ones to die. And the fact is that you antivaxxers are spreading lies and misinterpreting statistics to justify your selfish, evidence-free, fear-based refusal to protect your neighbors. So I’ll be fucking right on, pal
I have found myself walking away from discussions about the 'injection that shall not be named'. Mostly because I have become weary with trying to talk to people about this subject. It seems there is a social status quo that has people unable to hear anything else but the accepted rhetoric.-even when I quote some of their so-called experts in casting doubt. I have training in science and have worked as a microbiologist. This may even qualify me as an 'expert' in some circles. When I try to explain the 'science' that does not support the current rhetoric, I look at angry faces. As I have aged, I have gotten weary of living as an outcast because I have pushed back against many accepted paradigms in my life (I spent years and hours of time trying to get people to understand that pesticides were not good for our bodies). I think your call to stand up now will spur me on to (continue) to talk to people who approach me on this subject and try to show them another viewpoint. Being a social pariah seems to be what I came to this earth to do. Thank you Charles for reminding me.
[ ] https://youtu.be/SmfgTUjC_H4 mass formation - the psych phenomina that explains the herd adherence to the covid narrative. You are not a social pariah. You are the dayshift topographer in the free-range asylum of sleepwalkers.
I watched the video you suggested in your response to me. I was struck with Dr. Mathias commenting that there is what I call an aha moment regarding the unamenable phenomenon. It happened to me in December 2019. It was when I was perusing the news and saw mention of the new infection. The hair on my arms stood straight up. My partner said that it was nothing and would pass just like SARS, etc. I just looked at him and said that this was different-I did not know why or how it was different, only that something much darker was at work. He has since acknowledged how strange it was that I felt this from the beginning. I still do not know why I did. I believe some of us have an open intuitive channel that affects us. I hope all of us can get through these times with as much love and mutual support as possible. I will continue to express my opinions to those that challenge me and hope someday I will be able to see the world as a more sane place. Thanks again for sending the video. By the way, what is a dayshift topographer?
Intuition is fine. Evidence is better. Stop spreading antivax propaganda and get vaccinated
Ken, with the utmost respect and kindness... could you please just f*ck the F*ck off. Thanks so much.
For some this is a religion. Looks that way for Ken. Even the creators of the "vaccine" admit it neither prevents spread nor infection. Look at the statistics from Israel.
I've thought this for a while now. Many of the vax pushers have a kind of religious fanaticism that defies science or logic. And we all know where that leads.
Almost right. It doesn’t prevent spread, it dramatically lowers it. I’m guessing you’re misinterpreting the Israeli statistics, but which are you looking at?
Some folks just like to here themselves talk. Ken is the Karen of this board.
Isn't Karen a rich white lady who's drunk on privilege and hurts those around her? You've obviously got it backwards, brother
See I would, but then you guys would circulate antivax propaganda without anyone there to point out the lies and inconsistencies. If even one fence sitter gets vaccinated after seeing through this bs, the tiny amount of suffering prevented will be worth it
With all due respect, Ken- you are not the arbiter of truth here, nor will you convince anyone by calling them an anti-vaxer. Most of the people on here whom you would so handily label as "anti-vax" are likely very reasonable and intelligent people, who happen to have retained critical thinking skills despite the barrage of fear porn propaganda promulgated by the media which is regurgitated ad nauseum by "pro-vaxers" such as yourself. By my observation, the VAST MAJORITY of people who question the official narrative are the most educated people in the country, if not the world. Social media is censoring these people because the industrialists have control of all main-stream media and are conspiring (and succeeding) to stifle debate, and label anyone who questions ANYTHING they say as conspiracy theorists or anti-vaxers so that they can continue their rapacious profiteering at the expense of the middle class and the poor. This is an outright a war on sense-making, where impressionable people (ie yourself) have literally been brainwashed by media psy-ops to believe only what they tell you to believe, and are armed with brazen self righteous, virtue signaling, gas-lighting, fear fomenting, hysterical nonsense.
The drone of your rhetoric is painful... just let us all die. Go do something with your remaining freedom.
See I would just let you die if this was heart disease or cancer or something. But the problem is with letting you be a disease vector during a pandemic. I'm hoping you don't kill anyone I love before we achieve herd immunity.
Here's the olive branch I'll extend to you: If you and the rest of these antivax nutters want to go to a deserted island for two weeks, give yourselves covid, and come back with natural immunity, I'll stop trying to convince you to take the safe and effective vaccine. I'm not sure why you would want that, but sure.
What isn't morally tenable is moving through society not knowing if when or where you're going to be spreading disease. That's murder
I know several dozen people who have had covid and NONE- ZERO- of them went to the hospital. They were all fine within 2-5 days, one of them in their 80s! On the contrary, of the several dozen people I know who have had the jab, 2 of them came down with GBS- Gullain-Barre Syndrome- after the 2nd dose of the Pfizer jab. One is almost completely paralyzed and the other has extreme nerve pain. You seem like a smart troll, whats the percentage increased risk from the jab vs the virus, based on this anecdotal evidence?
Furthermore, my good friend who is an ER doc and head of the local covid task force said he diagnosed a person who had GBS (spinal tap test) which was 90% positively due to the vax, but the hospital workers responsible for reporting to VAERS would not believe him nor report it as an adverse reaction. How many adverse reactions do you think are not reported, or mis-diagnosed?
Implying that people moving throughout society unvaxed are akin to "murderers" is plain lunacy and completely unsupported by science. The survival rate of covid is greater than 99%, calling this a deadly disease is just plain nuts.
You been watching CNN too much bruh take a break its bad for your brain, obviously.
The vaccinated are carrying spike antigen with potential 'vectoring' for 4 months post vaxx. Just published.
https://www.jimmunol.org/content/early/2021/10/11/jimmunol.2100637
Point is, your one-note-symphony is infuriating when NO ONE KNOWS. Stop 'shedding-shoulding' on ppl. You just might be the super-spreader (btw, don't have sex--we don't know yet if the vaxx-spike antigen is in seminal fluid).
Where I reside
Vaccines are Universal (available to all that want them), Free of Cost and Voluntary.
No coercion is permitted.
No one can be forced to become vaccinated.
Is that acceptable to you?
The olive branch I'll offer is that if you want to go to a deserted island, give yourself covid, wait two weeks and come back - you should be allowed into society. If not, it's immoral to walk around unvaxxed during a pandemic - not knowing when and where you're going to catch it and who you're going to spread it to
Ken, has no-one informed you that the vaccines are 'leaky'? Ie that the vaccinated can be infected and can also infect others? So what you write here is prejudiced nonsense.
You call yourself a man of science, so why are you not up to date with the latest science? We've known this since the CDC report of July 30th. The best you can claim is that the vaccines protect to some degree against infection, but even that is up for debate.
If you care about the science, perhaps look up the Covid 19 Surveillance Reports of Public Health England. Since a month they give figures of infections among vaccinated and unvaccinated, per age category. Amazingly, there are far more infections under unvaccinated people under 18, but above 40 there are far more infections under the vaccinated.
If you do the sums for the entire population, it's about equal, so no significant protection against infection among the vaccinated, meaning you're as likely to be infected by someone who is vaccinated as someone who is unvaccinated.
Here are the reports; https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccine-surveillance-report The infection figures become worse for the vaccinated as time progresses, and for some reason the reports for weeks 39 and 40 have been moved elsewhere, and week 41 is not available yet.
My interpretation of the nature of the problem is very different than yours.
Unlike bacteria, viruses are not living organisms. They are fragments of biological material that are integrated in various ways within our own metabolic process, some of them necessary for human health (i.e. the development of the human reproductive and immune systems).
Viruses cannot reproduce. WE reproduce them under certain conditions (environmental, dietary, behavioral, genetic and social) that require further study and understanding in order to deal with them appropriately.
Unfortunately, those who develop vaccines fail to consider these fundamental facts and their actions are based on grossly incomplete concept of the ecosystem required for human health (an absence of severe pathological reactions - most of which are of an auto-immune nature), and subscribe to the false duality of viral threat / vaccine panacea, instead.
But that's not how health works. That interpretation of the problem fails to consider the ecosystem society is currently living in, compared to the condition needed for a successful adaptation to the biological life support systems we require and biosphere we form part of.
Personally, I welcome the opportunity to help set the record straight. (People like the founder of MicroSoft -known to known to establish anti-competitive monopolies- who has actively participated in the creation of gavi.org in 2000 and promoted the need to develop vaccines for corona viruses as the most serious threat to humanity since 2015, have no competence in this matter).
That belief is based on assumptions I don't share.
To the contrary: The vaccine carries far greater risks than the virus does.
And I consider vaccinated individuals to be far more dangerous than un-vaccinated individuals, in more than one sense.
BE GONE, JINN
Is this a play on Qui-Gon Jinn?
You can have my shot for extra protection. You don't have to lick my boots either for it.
My BFF cried for months prior to the announcement. We thought it was from hormonal shifts. But then we realized what she was actually sensing.
She no longer communicates with me. 25 years up a needle.
She probably doesn’t want to catch a disease from you and is tired of hearing antivax propaganda
You rock Ken! All your replies are spot on.
Ha! Trying! There's a surprising number of these yahoos in what I thought was supposed to be a group dedicated to conscious living
jillster, I think it is as you say: you are a very intuitive person. We all could sense that if we beliefed or knew we can. I am currently training to find out when*s the right time to speak out and when to remain silent. You'll know that it's right when it feels right. Do the words come naturally and without inner disturbance (as it is the case when we are acting out trauma responses) ? Then your words come from a different source than your ego-self. This is the place where true revolutions will come from. You might want to check auf Franz Renggli. He's a psychologist from Basel, Switzerland and he talks about that in an interview. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7chJWLweuI (Quite the normal Insanity - A short Cultural History of the Mother-Child-Relationship). Unfortunaltely it is in German with no translation available yet. But I'll be happy to translate parts of it for you if you resonate with this.
website: https://www.franz-renggli.ch
It's not really that complex. Speak out when you have something to say that evidence can support. Stop speaking out when you find yourself rooting for the disease during a pandemic
this was happily stirred up and dispensed to over throw an election.
"hate Trump"
stay at home vote by mail and 2000 mules
I encourage you to learn from Jason Christoff about the way mind control really works. That's what's happened. Tremendous mind control layers built over time.
Except who’s got the scientific evidence on their side?! Hint: it’s not the antivaxxers
Let me guess, you work for corporate, aka corrupt, science.
https://trialsitenews.com/mercks-deadly-vioxx-playbook-redux-a-debunked-smear-campaign-against-its-competing-drug-the-fda-approved-nobel-prize-honored-ivermectin/?utm_source=Contextly&utm_medium=ChannelEmail&utm_campaign=Ivermectin&utm_content=Notification
Nope, just a concerned citizen who's trying to protect his loved ones with comorbidities
Then lock them up, along with yourself.
Science or media?
Both. I’m guessing you trust neither
Ken - Corrupt science. Corrupt media. Corrupt medicine. Corrupt government. It’s clear that you trust them all, and are happy to spread their corrupt propaganda. You have an impossible sell with this crowd. You really should go waste your time on a more gullible crowd.
Science isn’t a psychological phenomena, it’s a process of testing hypotheses and analyzing data. Adherence to the covid narrative - presumably that there’s a deadly disease and an easy way to stop it - is not the result of brainwashing. It’s based on the vast preponderance of evidence of what is actually happening on planet earth right now
Love that last sentence, bloody brilliant!!!!
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Exactly. I shared that in my page but no one who needs to see it has commented.
Or they're just sick and tired of antivax propaganda
She's worse than a social pariah. She's a disease vector
At least 11,400 doctors, other medical professionals and other scientists have signed the Doctors Declaration Global Covid Summit! You are not alone!
There's a doctor on there from Houston who thinks covid comes from aliens having sexual encounters with humans; calls it demon sperm. You are not alone!
My error, It is actually called Physicians Declaration Global Covid summit. Jon
Jillster. There is an excellent interview with a clinical psychologist , Matthias Desmet, where he explains this phenomena you’ve described….and how to combat it…by not stopping speaking out. I know what you mean about being weary…it’s probably even more maddening for people like you who have the expertise. I’ll post this here 👍
Except when you're completely wrong and spreading lies and propaganda. Then you really need to stop speaking out
Oh . I see you have already watched it 👍
Hey lovely lady, you did not come here for that pariah stuff. Throw that label right out the window. You like the rest of us are here to shine your particular kind of light into the dark shadows. And just buy being here you are doing just that. Shine on my dear... shine on!!!!
Or make a commitment to doing what you can to not spread disease and nobody will treat you like a pariah
@jillster
No need for me to write another comment to the subject. I, a MD, PhD (in biochemistry), face the same obstacles you are running up against.
"When I try to explain the 'science' that does not support the current rhetoric, I look at angry faces. As I have aged, I have gotten weary of living as an outcast because I have pushed back against many accepted paradigms in my life... Being a social pariah seems to be what I came to this earth to do."
I am in the boat with you, my friend, and I am confident the boat is quite spacey holding hundreds of thousands of similar minds. Sadly, most of us are not interconnected, pulling on the same rope.
Quite spacey indeed
shame on you .
Goodness. I resonate with all you say, except for without a background in science I don’t have an articulate argument like you do, just my intuition. Please keep sharing your viewpoint x
I grew up in a family of doctors. I was also married to one and I spent years abdicating my own intuition. I did not inform myself sufficiently, but always listened to the advice or firmly expressed opinions by my doctor uncles and treating physicians, whom I looked up to. My mother did the same. Sadly, I received medical interventions that really harmed me. I watched others be harmed. I have rheumatoid arthritis. I manage it with alternative treatment methods and occasional aspirin. I was told aspirin causes ulcers. Then Celebrex came onto the market. Yae, "Celebrex won't do that! Change from aspirin to Celebrex." I didn't. A friend of mine was so excited and did. He ended up in the hospital with an ulcer. 50% of treatments that are recommended by physicians in the trenches are not proven scientifically. Doctoring is a healing art. There is more at play than just science. I know a physician who did research and came up with a new diagnosis. Once he had done the research it went to the powers that be to be evaluated whether it would be accepted in the official diagnosis manual. He joked: "And now it is up to the political process!" Every human action is the result of many factors. So is medicine and science. Bear with me. I am still responding to: " I resonate with all you say, except for without a background in science I don’t have an articulate argument like you do, just my intuition." Miranda, my story is about the importance of intuition. For so many years I abdicated my intuition even as a mother. My 14 y.o. daughter had eczema and her hands were permanently infected. Her doctor put her on low-grade anti-biotics for more than half a year. It seriously affected the health of her gut. I wish I could do it over. Yes, I seriously abdicated my inner knowing, until.........my son was put on lithium for behavioral issues. Almost immediately he fell asleep. I couldn't rouse him. I called the psychiatrist. "Lithium doesn't do that." At that point my inner Mother Bear woke up. "The rehearsal was over". I began to question and do my own research. A long journey started more than 30 years ago to figure out what was ailing my son and also my daughter. I began to see that some of my own physical problem were not dissimilar to my son's and daughter's. I began to heal our immune-systems. Although my ex did not necessarily stop me from going the alternative route, he also had a very hard time with it and questioned it intensely. For a while I had to put on blinders and go forward one step at a time. I am happy to share that my son and daughter are thriving. And I? I am so much better and continue to strengthen my immune-system with classical Chinese medicine. I am 71 years old. I have the privilege to keep to myself and be safe. But after all the work I have done I surely am not going to tax my system anymore than needed with what I consider an experimental vaccine while the government continues to support the food industry and the agricultural industry with a lack of emphasis on preventative health. Nor am I going to stay quiet when I see things that need to be spoken up about. I prefer to use the word courage as opposed to bravery. Courage comes from the heart, knowing that you need to act even when you are scared, bravery denies being scared and then pretends be brave when you go into battle. I believe when we act from bravery we contribute to the polarizing conversation. The rehearsal is over. Intuition needs to also be listened to.
Thank you for your lovely and considered response x
And this is exactly why this forum is problematic. You've convinced poor scientifically illiterate Miranda here that science hasn't already conclusively determined that the vaccine is safe and effective when it has.
Conclusively determined safety with less than a year of data can't determine safety from long term effect. In any case, safety is a relative concept. One might consider a vaccine with <0.01% complication rate for children to be safe. ... of course one might also argue the same for the virus with respect to the young without commorbidities. It is essentially safe for them ie of negligible risk.
History is our only guide. Humanity has never had a vaccine show side effects after a year. At this point there have been over 6 billion safely administered doses. If you gave everyone a peanut, you'd have more deaths
https://wexnermedical.osu.edu/blog/covid-19-vaccine-long-term-side-effects
I agree that the virus isn't very dangerous for young people without comorbidities. The push to vaccinate them is that if it can be determined to be safe through clinical trials, then it's one more opportunity to reduce the spread in society
most of us do not want to be a "clinical trial"
I never thought that as I approach my 80th birthday I would become a social pariah, but I have.This is a great article.
It's not though. And you don't have to be a social pariah, you're choosing that antisocial behavior by choosing to spread disease in your community. And if you're 80, you're the one we're trying to protect!
According to your playlist, I should be dead anyway. No way to spread a disease when you're dead. Or maybe y'all think there is a way.
You've been lucky. Good for you. Maybe you could show some heart to those less lucky than you
There have been some 4,000,000,000 people globally who have had at least one shot of the various Covid vaccines.
I mean, if you gave anything to 4,000,000,000 (even peanuts) there’s always going to be a smal minority who have an adverse reaction.
No doubt some adverse events have been silenced. Whether we’ll intentioned or otherwise, that was a mistake and that lends to concerns, so it was a wrong to do so.
But if there was some really big, underlying issue or problem with these vaccines, it would be so large and obvious by now that it would be impossible to hide or ignore.
That’s just common sense.
As to listen to experts, I’d like to direct you to Professor Peter Doherty.
He won a Nobel Prize for his work on the human immune system and how it deals with viruses.
He’s widely regarded as the world’s foremost expert and has never had his work debunked.
Personally I would think it egregiously foolish to ignore his views.
You're right, it IS impossible to ignore and that's becoming the bigger issue. FB sites like Canadian Deaths and Adverse Injuries report case after case of death, stroke, heart attack, and more. The VAERS site has recorded over ten thousand deaths so far, along with hundreds of thousands of serious life changing injuries and since it's a voluntary reporting system the reality is it reflects a fraction of the total. It is indeed LARGE AND OBVIOUS!!! IMPOSSIBLE TO HIDE OR IGNORE, even when people like yourself insist on trolling the pages of people needing to talk about it without being persecuted for expressing themselves freely. The people you're referring to as 'a minority' have lives, they have families, and they have a VOICE that many like myself want to hear, so we can make informed decisions for ourselves. The fact that you need to silence them speaks loudest of all. You're part of the problem if you insist that nobody should have the freedom to make their own choices about whether to risk injecting themselves with something potentially deadly, or let their own immune systems do their jobs.
That's just not how those reporting systems work Maxine. Anyone who dies the week after the vaccine is reported to VAERS. That doesn't mean that those people died of the vaccine. If someone dies of a heart attack after the vaccine, it gets reported to VAERS. At that point the CDC starts compiling data of the percentage of people who died from a heart attack after the vaccine and compare it to the background percentage of people who died of a heart attack. If those percentages are the same, it's concluded that the vaccine did not cause the heart attack. I realize that you will never be able to convince a grieving widow who lost her husband to a heart attack and is now blaming the vaccine, but that's why anecdotes are not statistics. I hope this makes sense to you because it is the most prevalent misunderstanding I see repeated over and over in the antivax community
Hi Ken, it's me again :) You're paragraphing the Vaers disclaimer, and similar texts can found on similar web sites in other countries. This disclaimer has always struck me as exceedingly odd. If it works as you say, why is that compiled later research not published, alongside the Vaers data, so we know all that's really going on? Why let that data stand there as it is? Like this it just gives, supposedly, a completely misleading impression. Given how the powers that are have tried to sweep vaccine side-effects under the carpet, you'd reckon it's the first thing they do.
I always believed the Vaers disclaimer without asking further questions, but I also now know two people who have had serious side-effects from the vaccines: one previously healthy 65-year old woman is now dead, and a sports teacher in his 30s has ongoing heart issues he did not have before. I know several people who have had covid, but all these people are OK now. It makes you scratch your head, and suspect that the real reason the compiled data is not published is because it would actually validate the numbers on Vaers and make a mockery of that disclaimer.
Scientific research into the Vaers data was done by others, and found that 67% of cases were logged by health professionals, and that in analysing the data, a link with the vaccine could only be excluded in 14% of cases. That makes the numbers given a lot more credible. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/352837543_Analysis_of_COVID-19_vaccine_death_reports_from_the_Vaccine_Adverse_Events_Reporting_System_VAERS_Database_Interim_Results_and_Analysis
Then, if you look at the English data, it's a similar story:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting
The main text reads very re-assuring, but when you then read the Vaccine Analysis Prints at the bottom, and add up the deaths, it comes to an amount that's proportionally similar to those on Vaers, and the Lareb side in Holland.
I think it's time to take that disclaimer with a grain of salt and really look at the evidence.
when Covid is your religion and Fauci is the pope and the tablets are handed down by the CDC, you won't believe any rational evidence. Poor Ken.
The whole point is that science isn't a religion, all of the evidence free holistic healing alternatives that Eisenstein is peddling are religious in nature. So I'm supposed to believe him specifically because there isn't any evidence to support it? Makes no sense
Okay, hold on to that first paragraph. "Given how the powers that are have tried to sweep vaccine side-effects under the carpet, you'd reckon [hiding VAERS] is the first thing they'd do." Don't you see how the implication of your realization is that they are not trying to sweep vaccine side-effects under the rug! The information is made public so that everyone can see that the vaccines are safe! Which the data shows!
Amazing. This sounds remarkably similar to how COVID deaths are reported. Died + COVID POSITIVE= COVID caused death. But I'm sure I can find a similar post in which you've gone back and correlated with other comorbidities to deconvolute the true COVID fatality rate from confounding causes (if you were being intellectually honest). .... or you could just look at all cause mortality, but that might not give the answer you need to push your narrative.
If someone dies from a car accident with covid, they aren't considered a covid caused death. I'll even give you that it's possible that some covid deaths have been overreported and that some of the people who died with covid would've died anyway: not any of the people who died from pneumonia, but cancer patients come to mind.
Here's a great article on that: https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/how-are-covid-19-deaths-counted-it-s-complicated
More important for this discussion is the fact that that overreporting if it exists would be evenly spread through the unvaxxed and vaxxed populations, so it wouldn't impact data showing the tremendous effectiveness of the vaccines
If you really believe these "vaccines" are safe and effective, I fear your news sources are compromised. Patents on this virus / pandemic go back to the late 90s.
This is a weird and ridiculous lie. I don't think your antivax friends will stand behind that statement
US Patent number 7220852. Look it up on the US Patent website. Easily found. I dare you. Filed in 2007 BY THE CDC (Center for Disease Control) so they can OWN and MAKE MONEY off not only the gene sequence associated with covid 19 (which is 99% identical to the flu; the other 1% being the metalic bits and God knows what else added in); as well as the PCR tests themselves. The CDC OWNS the patent for the PCR tests AND the 'virus'. You think they really want this to end?
Maxine, the flu isn't even a coronavirus, but that's not the point. Scientists have sequenced every virus they could find with the hope of one day being able to cure them. They've just recently created vaccines for Ebola and Malaria too. The CDC is a government agency dedicated to public health, they aren't a for profit corporation
You guys are so deep in conspiracy theory land that it's hard to communicate with you
then stop trying????!!!?
bless the hearts of folks who are too busy living a real life to troll *every single comment* on the blog post of someone they disagree with.
i don't understand why people wish to waste their most precious resource - TIME - arguing with people online. its disgusting.
Hello Ken
Are you still on the covid train?
77th.
Can't possibly be 77th. I would have thought that anyone working for 77th would actually be convincing and effective, rather than combative, otherwise they wouldn't doing their job. Hounding people on the basis of emphatically stated false assertions is just a dopamine kick.
I'm glad that you realize that actual experts would be convincing! At least you seem to know that logic and data are on their side. So why are you still antivax then?
Just doing my best here. Which of my assertions sounds false to you?
Just looked up the 77th. I live in California dude. Glad there is a group of people out there taking on your lies and propaganda! You're killing people
You’re insane. And even money says you’re not even an MD
Thanks Jo. Glad to see not everyone on here has abandoned reason
Behavioural psychology has been weaponised against the people. Keep faith and join a like-minded community to understand how to navigate the narrative divide. Free resources here and weekly live interactive sessions on the pscyhology for conversation that reach people and for managing our emotional and energetic state as we try: https://reachingpeople.website
Great idea. Surround yourself in an echo chamber where nobody will question your alternative facts while you turn yourself into a disease vector during a pandemic and can't figure out why the rest of society just disinvited you to the party
Immortal Nazis calling people disease vectors... human pet hybrids never learn do they.
The totalitarians are going to get what they deserve, which they won't like nor will they be able to harm the innocents.
Or you could listen to what the fast majority of epidemiologists in every country on the planet are telling us. Stop being a social pariah and stop spreading antivax lies
Here is a link to a video interview with Mattias Desmet that may explain what we are dealing with. We all have been subjected to an unprecedented level of "fear porn" in the last year and a half that has affected us more than we may realize. Just as an individual can be hypnotized, a whole society can similarly be affected as Mattias Desmet claims:
WHY DO SO MANY STILL BUY INTO THE NARRATIVE?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLDpZ8daIVM
These are the notes under the video:
"Does it sometimes feel like you’re surrounded by people who’ve been hypnotised in some way? Well, maybe you are.
My guest tonight is Mattias Desmet, Professor of Clinical Psychology at Ghent University in Belgium, and his observations over the past 18 months have led him to conclude that the overwhelming majority have indeed fallen under a kind of spell.
Except it’s not actually a spell, of course: the term for it is ‘mass formation’ and right now it’s manifesting as a psychological response — not unlike hypnosis — to the unrelenting, single-focus campaign of fear to which we have all been subjected.
Join me at 5pm when I will explore with Mattias what triggers and sustains this mass response, where it could ultimately lead us, why a minority somehow manages to remain unaffected, and whether there’s anything we can collectively do to break the spell before it’s too late."
I've read your posts again. I feel exactly as you do.
You simply have not found your soul tribe. But your efforts on pesticides were not in vain. It was part of the 100th monkey effect.
@jillster Your response to this article is totally inspiring. Thank you for writing down your thoughts and feelings about this. It is very very helpful for other people to read what Charles and you have written. I have no idea who you are but I'm proud of and grateful to you.
https://youtu.be/uLDpZ8daIVM
yes. yes. The rehearsal is over. I can now see that I will be speaking to my retired community of 450 souls who, with the exception of me and one other, are participating in the injection program that will not be named. Many limits to my movement are laid out in weekly restriction notices. I am able to live with the isolation and exclusions; but they are not reasonable. So, I will be speaking out. Thank you Charles for your ongoing . . . humble leadership and sweet and generative and life-giving storytelling. I am seeing ways to proceed, yes.
Just get vaccinated. They’re restricting your movement so you don’t get a disease and spread it to others. What don’t you get about that?
What did you think of Charles’ “Mob Morality and the Unvaxxed” article?
I found it enlightening. In the end he suggests we all respect each other’s choices. This is the only way through imho. A lot of people will die. There’s no stopping it. And the virus will continue to evolve and become more resistant to the vaccinations.
It’s my belief that Mother Earth is cleansing her body of the human viral load that has done nothing but consume and destroy for centuries. I’m not afraid to die. It is what it is and we can’t avoid death.
I’m choosing to get vaccinated for social reasons and one beautiful reason is because one day I look forward to meeting my 10 week old granddaughter, she’s my first.
But the biggest danger is vaccinated people blaming the non vaxxed for the spread of it which is simply untrue.
Well, I haven't read that one, but if you're just hoping that a lot of people die to bring about ecological balance then I guess it makes sense to be antivax. The other way to reduce the population is to voluntarily decrease the birth rate - which I personally find to be a much more beautiful world than increasing the death rate. I'm glad you've chosen to get vaccinated regardless.
Wow. This is disappointing. When I wrote my lengthy comment to you, I thought you were part of this community. Did you just subscribe to troll here?
Ken is being his very own mob. Just one person, I assume, behind a keyboard badgering. Ken, please go away. You are spamming. The author has the right to delete your relentless protests and rioting against things you do not believe. but honestly, you are like a fruit fly
Go burn up someone else's discussion blog. You are incessant and pitiful
See I would, but then you'd be free to spread your lies and propaganda unchecked. And I don't want my parents to die from your ignorance. Btw I responded to your requests for evidence above even though it's literally everywhere seeing how it's the dominant narrative of 99% of all public health scientists, doctors, and epidemiologists
Well I think Ken is doing a great job of holding down the fort! He is not the only one who feels the way he does - but he is the most prolific in terms of posts - saves the rest of us from having to spend time - frankly it can be exhausting, as i have found by doing the same thing in other venues ... so Keep it up, Ken. Thanx!
Btw, you do realize that "fruit flies" have been the source of a lot of scientific discoveries ; )
I love the old Charles before he became an antivax guru. I'm here responding to misinterpretations of statistics and science with the hope that a casual reader won't come across this site and be swayed by lies into thinking that the antivax movement offers anything evidence based besides more disease and suffering
So many of my favorite spiritual writers are anti vax now. I don't get it but my respect for these teachers has plummeted. Why not just stay silent instead of promoting fear and anxiety?
Sorry you feel duped. I'm still interested in reading what you have to say. Maybe it will help someone somewhere even if we disagree
Ken, why don't you give us a quick run down about your past two years as a devout Covidian
Here is some entertaining reading for you https://sagehana.substack.com/p/exploring-the-epidermal-gene-transfection?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=702469&post_id=111986010&isFreemail=true&utm_medium=email
I hope the vaccines have not harmed you Gabrielle
The vaccinated spread the virus and acquire it so you have been misinformed. If you do not believe me , just ask the CDC.
Yes, at far lower rates than the unvaccinated. I'm glad you're reading CDC data, keep reading
Ken, we are all reading the CDC data as well as everything else we can find. We have open minds and open hearts. We are not afraid. We have been watching and listening carefully since the beginning. We don’t resort to name calling and shaming. We keep searching for answers.
This comment hasn't aged well.
all of the comments here are kind of entertaining.
the vaxxers are still vaxxing. That is good. It is too late to get off of that boat.
Keeeeeep vaxxxxinggggg
So Ken, how is this working out for you now?
Do you still feel like the smartest idiot in the room?
Just a stupid question which I’m sure you’ve thought of : have you tried suing the charter in the community on the basis of violation of ADA rights ? They might back down really quickly at this point.
Thank you for your courage, Sara <3
How do you feel about masks?
Sara, I wish you lived close by. I would come over and hug you
Thank you Charles. You are a voice of sanity for me. I am seeking leaders I can trust, as all of the leaders I used to look up to have collapsed and gone along with the program. All of my Quaker friends, the pope, the Dalai Lama, the large US and international Yoga organizations, Ammachi. Where are the social justice activists I used to study with, the ones I got arrested with at the Nevada Test Center? All gone, silent. This has been a massive disillusionment for me. I am realizing that I have to be a leader now. I am seeking openings to speak up, to find like minded people to undertake significant action with. Gandhi took decades to prepare his program of action. It seems we don't have that much time. Violence and anger will not help. Clarity and meaningful resistance can move us forward. I'm seeking a way in but I can't see it yet.
I live a life of incredible privilege ~ my husband retired recently and we moved to Arizona where we enjoy relative freedom. We don't work for anybody mandating anything on us, and I can mostly avoid wearing a mask.
BUT... when he was hospitalized overnight last month I was unable to visit him. So painful, so unnecessary. How to protest that? Maybe supporting others in a similar situation whose loved ones are in longer than mine was? And helping them resist the exclusion of visitors?
I had three invitations to go to California this month, and I turned all down, simply because of not wanting to be in an environment where masks were the norm and testing would be expected/required. I am covid-recovered, with screenshots of my wild-type antibody tests from when I donated blood, so this all makes no sense. None at all.
I'm an author of books for women, and speaking to my audience about this would likely be my greatest leverage. You called me out in your article by saying we can't wait, there is no safety. I haven't wanted to be attacked by clients and readers, many of whom would disagree with me, so I have not spoken up that often. I'm so used to the previous political divides, and the new ones still bewilder me. But where is the dignity in staying quiet? I've done a few webinars for my email list on natural immunity, on gain of function research, the effects of lockdowns on children, on what is inside of this (yes) substance-that-shall-not-be-named. And still I feel that my efforts have been totally minor, a measly small fraction of what is actually needed. And of what I could be doing.
I'm staying open to the right way in, to collaborations, to finding my voice and expressing it. Thank you for your voice here.
Laura, your comment here is a wonderful start, as is your realization that you need to take ownership of your own knowledge and wisdom rather than relying on external sources such as leaders. It is because rational, grounded people like you have been peer-pressured into silence that the gullible majority thinks only crackpot-tin-foil-flat-earthers are the ones questioning the blatantly contrived narrative. We need more brave voices like yours in the resistance to lunacy and tyranny.
I recommend starting with a Substack blog. You don’t have to share it with anyone you know. Just get your thoughts down in a way you feel they might be willing to hear. Then, when you are ready to share and they are ready to listen, start sharing one by one with individuals you trust, and then let the conversation bloom from there. I wish you well on your creative, scientific, and spiritual journey.
How are the flat-earthers doing anything different than the antivaxxers? At least the flat earthers aren’t killing anyone with their quackery
Earlier you said " Zero have died of the vaccine." WRONG! This shows just how far from reality your rants have been.
Ken, just finding this two years out.
soooo how is your acolyte preaching for the gobbermint working out for you?
Amen Margaret, and see my reply to her as well.
Right there with you, Laura Jean, on "staying open to the right way in." I am also in deep listening and, Charles, your beautiful article today is reverberating and resounding loudly. Thank you.
Unfortunately you’re deeply listening to people who are spreading lies during this pandemic. Think critically. Claims have to have statistical evidence or it’s just heresay and anecdotes - the foundation of the antivax movement
You are the only one listening to lies here bruh, the lies on the news. I rely on real-world information from my local area, not the news, not you, not anyone unless it passes real world rigor. Your confidence only comes from google, and we all know what you get on google- one side.
"Real world vigor" - and what, pray tell, is that?
Laura, there are many of us who align with the left who "get it."' One is RFK, JR with his Children's Health Defense (.org)--go there for some real support, another is Naomi Wolf. Jimmy Dore is coming onboard. Then there are some of us who are not famous who are on this daily. Political barriers are breaking down and there is a commonality in support of the values of bodily integrity. liberty, and actual clinically based science instead of pompous prono0uncement from bureaucrat"authorities." See also Physicians Declaration Global Covid Summit, with over 12,000 signatories of doctors, other medical professionals and others in related sceintific fields.
Jon, I, too, have been encouraged to see elements of the left who have seen through the COVID narrative and have been bravely pushing back against authoritarianism. Left Lockdown Sceptics, Nevermore Media, and Winter Oak Press are a few that come to mind. I write a bit about how inspiring it has been for me to see people from every shade of the political spectrum coming together across the artificial partisan divides in this piece: https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/with-thanks-to-you-you-magnificent
Of course, those who dare counter the narrative (e.g., Naomi Wolf, Glenn Greenwald) subsequently get smeared and branded as heretics, but I think (hope) anyone rational can recognize those for the lowdown hit pieces they are.
You are kindred spirit Margaret. I have been an anti imperialist since 1966, and a Green for 30 years, and we have a national group of around 40 of us in communication about the covid repression. Most Greens however do not see the parallel between the military industrial complex and the medical industrial complex.
So much to say to and with you. I'd like to have a way to contact you that is not on display for every one here to see. I'm inundated with emails and do not want to give out a private phone number (too many robo calls now). I never joined FB or other social media and glad I had the wisdom to avoid them. My own book is LIBERATE HAWAI'I! While living on Oahu for 36 years, I learned from my Hawaiian scholar-activists about the true history--namely that only CONTROL and not SOVEREIGNTY passed to the US in 1898. They want their country back! Looking it up on Amazon will give you more info. Aloha, Jon
Thank you for your good and important work, Jon! The easiest way to get in touch with me is to sign up for my mailing list (if you haven’t already) and reply to the Welcome email.
Natural immunity is fine - for those lucky enough to have it - but those folks who died from this disease didn't have it or enough of it - that's what vaccines are for, to train the immune system before it is overwhelmed by infection ....
Well put
I’ve been an activist for 60yrs and it’s done nothing to stop the elite who control everything. I gave up a decade ago because raging against the machine almost killed me.
I believe there are worse things coming and billions will eventually die, if not from a virus, merely murdering each other just because we disagree. It feels like we are devolving instead of evolving. Just devastating.
Yup, it seems like people don’t care about their fellow humans these days. You can’t even convince people on this website to get a free, safe, and effective vaccine to protect their neighbors from disease
"safe" and "effective". Hi, I'm Ken, and I'm a c**t.
Well that's not an effective argument
Hi Laura:
I am/was a Quaker here in Boston area of Massachusetts. I find Quakers and Quaker gatherings to especially alienating for me now.........If you get this message and can write me back here it might be a way to find each other. I, too, am trying to learn how to speak out and where I can speak out.
Or all of those activists who have turned against you aren’t brainwashed, but actually support the life saving efforts of modern medicine. When you go against science, and promote evidence free alternative healing modalities, you’re selling snake oil cures in a pandemic. This is the path Charles has chosen. Don’t follow him blindly towards disease and destruction.
I will agree that if you’ve already had covid and can show that you have immunity, that should count as a vaccine
Ken: Glad to see you agree with the science that shows overwhelmingly that someone recovered from covid has far more comprehensive immunity than a person vaxed. But what say you to the narrative, where this truth is silenced? That narrative should make you question the push for the vax altogether. There is undeniably an agenda.
How so? The worst case scenario if the vaccination drives fail is that everyone ends up getting covid, millions more die, and we’re eventually immune that way. The vaccine push is trying to prevent that nightmare scenario of wanton death and disease
You can't just vax away years of poor health decisions. If the govt wanted people to be healthy they would be passing out Vitamin C and vegetables, instead of enticing people to get the jab with doughnuts- yes doughnuts, pretty much the least healthy food you can eat. You can't make this shit up!
Well, as someone from the health community - tell me, should medical folks refuse to treat those who have made "poor health decisions"? You do realize that would include a whole lot of people - including, perhaps, those who refused vaccinations ...
Ken, if it were simply about trying to prevent "wanton death and disease", then why wouldn't covid antibodies in the recovered be accepted as equal to, or better, than the vax? The reason is obvious - the vax itself is part of the agenda. That and the "covid passports."
Yup, I agree with you on that: covid antibodies should count. What do you think the agenda is besides preventing people from getting sick? I think to the scientific community's mind, they know that the vaccine is safe and effective and probably weren't anticipating this crazy antivax response. If the antivax community just wanted to get their covid antibody levels checked, and argue that they are not a danger to society post infection, I think scientific studies could be done around that. Maybe they already have, i haven't looked into it. I have heard of people getting covid multiple times, but then again breakthrough vaccine infections exist. I'm interested to learn more
There's the rub - would like to know how many people who have "had Covid" have been re-infected?
No lovely, millions are enjoying natural immunity because that’s what our immune systems do.
Great. And millions have died worldwide because that's what our bodies do when our immune systems fail against a disease. Getting vaccinated teaches your immune system how to fight this
Yes, the rehearsal is over. Here in British Columbia a non-injected person is truly a second class citizen who cannot travel by train or plane, who cannot go to restaurants, conferences, meetings, museums, concerts, movies, etc., who cannot work in health care or for the provincial or federal government, and in an increasing number of private companies. This is a country whose prime minister is explicitly and viciously attacking the non-injected, telling them that he wants to make their lives miserable; this is a country where a health minister is telling the citizenry that immunocompromized people should not be near the non-injected and that everyone should learn to ask strangers if they are injected or not. Once-friendly neighbours are turning on suspected non-injected people and insulting them, treating them as pariah.
This should be the time for me to act, to be brave. But it is not the time yet. What is one to do without a community, in a soulless suburb, not knowing anyone? It is not the time yet but it feels like time is of the essence and I will push myself to reach beyond the limited horizons of my deadly suburban comfort.
How ironic that comparisons to the treatment of a certain religious group in Germany are considered fanciful or insulting. Remember that Anne Frank did her part by hiding in an attic. She didn't know that she was doing that so that her words would survive her, but that is what happened.
Perhaps your role right now is to survive and witness what your country is doing to its people. You can document it - perhaps collect photographs and videos and your observations. Remember that much of the world turned a blind eye while the events in Germany took place. But there was also a resistance that operated undercover, doing what they could to resist what was happening.
I am very moved by your response! We often feel that we have to do something big to confront situations of totalitarian control but your response reminds me of the importance of the act of witnessing and documenting, keeping eyes open and the human need for freedom and community alive.
Is every law totalitarian control? If someone wants to drive a car with no brakes through a school zone are you fine with that in the name of personal freedom?
This is a silly "rebuttal."
What is his country doing to people besides trying to save lives? I missed the part in history class where the Nazi’s had a humanitarian mission
You would have made a good little Hitler, too bad. You probably have no idea what actually happened in Nazi Germany and how our country funded everything to stop the Bolshevik revolution? The Prescott Bush, Henry Ford, the Rockefellers- all made lots of money while supporting both sides! Then they went on to create schools based on the Prussian model which had been subversively programming our kids to be obedient little Hitlers. They would be proud of you! I am sure you take every opportunity to shove neo-liberal propaganda down the throats of your innocent students, maybe even toss some CRT in there just cuz its so true, eh?
Everyone knows about all of that. It's high school history class. I'm glad you paid attention there. Sorry you fell asleep in science class
Many, many cases where people in hospitals are given the poisonous substance called Remdesivir and put on a ventilator. This "treatment" assures a rapid path to death, financial rewards for the hospital administration, and one less person collecting social security and medicare. The ghost of Joseph Mengele must be looking on with pride.
Why is disease beautiful to you?
I am also from BC, in Victoria. Perhaps exchanges like these can help connect people of like minds (read un-injected). Besides all the affects noted by oac, I have also experienced the daughter who won't ride in my vehicle, visit me indoors, or allow me to hug her or her daughter (who already had a mild case of the unnamed) because I am supposedly a 'danger' to them. It breaks my heart to know there are families everywhere being torn apart by the leaders' choices promoting division. Thank you Charles for your continued voice of sanity in a world gone mad.
I am so sorry to read that you have to live through the shattering experience of having your own close family reject you in this way. I have a similar experience within my own family and it is absolutely heart breaking. The scope of the mental and physical harms engendered by this totalitarian response is unfathomable. We have to stay strong in the knowledge that we are many to see through the fog of propaganda, and that eventually some truth will force its way through the layers of lies and deception.
Thank you for your kind words. It is so true that staying strong by living my truth through the fog of propaganda is the way forward, plus speaking my truth with compassion when presented with the opportunity.
Your truth is the way of antivax propaganda. Science is the way of real world evidence
“It is simply no longer possible to believe much of the clinical research that is published, or to rely on the judgment of trusted physicians or authoritative medical guidelines. I take no pleasure in this conclusion, which I reached slowly and reluctantly over my two decades as an editor of The New England Journal of Medicine.” Dr. Marcia Angell
The case against science is straightforward: much of the scientific literature, perhaps half, may simply be untrue. Afflicted by studies with small sample sizes, tiny effects, invalid exploratory analyses, and flagrant conflicts of interest, together with an obsession for pursuing fashionable trends of dubious importance, science has taken a turn towards darkness… The apparent endemicity of bad research behaviour is alarming. In their quest for telling a compelling story, scientists too often sculpt data to fit their preferred theory of the world. Or they retrofit hypotheses to fit their data.”
“Journal editors deserve their fair share of criticism too. We aid and abet the worst behaviours. Our acquiescence to the impact factor fuels an unhealthy competition to win a place in a select few journals. Our love of “significance” pollutes the literature with many a statistical fairy-tale. We reject important confirmations.” - Richard Horton, editor in chief of the lancet
Genuine science adheres to acatual verifiable evidence. Compromised (faux) science is ethically compromised by financial rewards and those with microscopic consciences that are overridden by greed. Those appear to be dominant now.
Good god. It’s not totalitarianism. It’s basic medical advice. Legit crazy that you both chose to tear apart your families rather than capitulate to science
Science does not demand capitulation, science demands questioning. Tyrants demand capitulation, like you! :)
Fair enough, I retract the word capitulate and replace it with the word listen
Hey there, I'm also in Victoria - so it's nice to find another local on here. If you have FB, there are a few groups that reject the mandates and don't endorse the big V. Have you connected with any other locals of like mind?
Holy shit. This really has become a site for organizing people who want to maintain their privilege to be disease vectors
Ken, your view is completely and utterly understood. Totally. You're not getting it. This is a hackneyed response that has become so tiresome, I'm exhausted just trying to deal with it, but you're here, in this sacred space, and I'll continue to endeavor with the greatest of kindness and hopefully we can come to an understanding.
Being unvaccinated does not = being infected. I hope you get this. Do you?
Being vaccinated does not = being uninfected. You get this, right? I assume that you do. Breakthrough cases are already common and will become more so. The cats out of the bag on that one.
https://www.rollcall.com/2021/09/22/breakthrough-covid-19-cases-expected-to-become-more-common-in-coming-months/
Not all cohorts are the same, by a long shot and from kids to elders, it's a 10,000x exponential leap in risk. I hope you get this too.
Vectors of disease -- let's talk about it.
A privilege? Come on now. Let's be intellectually honest when engaging.
These vaccines, like most other than the ones people keep applying their false equivalencies to such as MMR, Smallpox, and Polio, are non-sterlizing vaccines. On top of that, they've turned out to be particularly "leaky" which is problematic for any hope of eradicating this virus down to zero.
Because it's non-sterilizing, not a single viral-replication-host is ever removed from the reservoir pool. We could vaccinate the entire world population and it wouldn't eradicate this virus. This is problematic for mandates, passports, and the rest of the over-the-top draconian measures being taken that yes, are actually tyrannical and not based on science at all. No one should be losing a single job due to their vaccination choices. The only way to tell, at any snapshot of time, who is infected and who is not, is to test and assess symptoms. That's it. Vaccination status means nothing.
The PH officials know this and are criminally negligent. There is a lot to say about the way that this is being handled and the psychological warfare that is being implemented. I'll leave that for now. It's too involved.
The risk is not in being unvaccinated. This is disingenuous messaging. Tragic for anyone, unfortunately for the elderly, obese, and the very unhealthy with vascular and other comorbidities, they are overwhelmingly the cohort at risk of hospitalization and death. This high-risk group, with their backs against the wall, would do well to get vaccinated and to get as healthy as they possibly can -- something we should all be doing, but a message you'll never hear from a single PH official, nor will you get an encouraging word, but only fear.
There is more to say here about children, transmission, etc. that I will save for another comment should anyone care to continue this discussion.
Our first and foremost civil-duty is to recognize government overreach morphing into authoritarianism and to push back. Governments across the globe have taken the opportunity to use this pandemic to grab far too much power and control. Once ceded, historically, it's never given back. In Australia, New Zealand, France, Greece, Italy, Nigeria, Canada, it's far worse than here and we have our nightmare in NYC, but they are harbingers of things to come if we allow it and we must not.
Centralized digital passports and where they lead, are dystopian. We are on a threshold right now of forever leaving all democracy behind and moving into a future no one wants but most do not see coming.
Please, Ken, stop viewing this group of people as benighted. In this view you would be incorrect. Expand your awareness out on this and relax into a different perspective, one you are entirely familiar with, but the inculcation is very deep. We've all had to extricate ourselves from it to a greater or lesser degree. This is not a finger-wave at you -- not in the least. Peace.
Ok, this was long, so let's go point by point
1. The vaccinated spread disease at a much lower rate than the unvaccinated (though yes, it isn't 100% either way). Simple county by county comparisons of vaccine rate to covid case rate proves this beyond the shadow of a doubt.
2. It is definitely a privilege to chose to be antivax. This forum is full of rich white young healthy people (my biased assumption) who believe that they should be able to do whatever they want, whenever they want regardless of how it affects the most vulnerable among us.
3. All you have to do to eradicate the virus is drop the disease's R-value (the number of people an infected person then infects) down to below 1. Any effort to reduce the spread does this, and vaccinations and masking in indoor public spaces are the two most effective ways to do so.
4. Nobody is discouraging at risk groups from getting healthy. Or honestly from doing any of the evidence free holistic health measures that Charles is promoting. But when he promotes them as alternatives to vaccines, he is playing a role in leading society away from what has evidence that it works and towards a increase in death, disease, and human suffering.
5. Public health measures are not some kind of draconian authoritarianism. You're also not allowed to defecate in the town's water supply while screaming my body, my choice - even if you don't understand why that's a problem because you never passed statistics in high school. It's just part of being in society.
5b. Our first and foremost civic duty is to protect each other in a time of crisis. Choosing to be a disease vector by refusing to do the two things that have been conclusively shown to lesson the rate of transmission (getting vaccinated and masking in indoor public spaces) is the opposite of that civic responsibility.
6. Centralized digital passports already exist. They're called passports. There are whole hosts of immunizations you have to show to enter countries: yellow fever, etc. Because they don't want you to become a disease vector.
6b. What's truly distopian is a world in which there is a disease spreading and a simple easy solution in hand, which a group of people have created a culture around refusing because they don't want to admit that Western Medicine ever did anything worthwhile.
I appreciate your reasonable tone. I'd appreciate it a lot more if it came with a promise to do what you can to not accidentally kill my parents and the other people I love with comorbidities. They're going to be the collateral damage in this community's anti-science hissy fit
By this time I'm getting the idea that the best way to read through this discussion is to skip all the comments made by Ken. Much more beneficial and informative. Bye Ken.
Before I go, can you tell me something? Have you been reading Charles' writings for awhile? What is it about this community that you once seemed to enjoy but are challenged with right now?
Thanks for your reply, Ken. I got what you said. I will respond later as it's 1:40 in the morning. Hopefully we can inch closer to some greater understanding of the various positions here.
Hi, nce to hear from another Victorian. I haven’t looked for any of the FB groups but I will check it out. I have a few friends and family who don’t care about my status but the group is small. Keep strong.
I pray for everyone’s sake that your group keeps getting smaller
Or just get vaccinated. No politician destroyed your family because you won’t take basic health and safety precautions during a global pandemic. That’s on you
I think all of us are underusing the option of our social platforms. We need to talk more, share more, invite others in the discussion. I know a lot of people who are terrified of the situation and feeling isolated, feeling afraid to talk. I open my FB in the morning and see only pictures of cats and meals. But I know from their shy responces here and there what these FB friends are realy thinking and feeling right now. The most important is to vocal! So others do not think, that they are alone!
Someone in my town literally put up a flyer to the effect of “are you feeling alone and isolated and rejected? Let’s come together and see that we are many.” They we’re torn down almost as fast as he could get them up. But no matter—once a few of the right people saw it and photographed it, it went all over the county by text. A potluck was planned. A HUNDRED PEOPLE SHOWED UP. Don’t think that you can’t find the people around you who are feeling isolated like you, because you can!!
If we really get organized, we can have our own superspreader event - because covid is obviously a fake disease. And the bodies in the hospitals are mannequins designed to scare you
Well, a lot of us who would read and agree with this article avoid social media like the plague (that Covid isn't). For better or worse, I would no sooner subscribe to Facebook, Twitter, et al. than genuflect before the powerful.
Ha! I knew I’d find someone on here who doesn’t even believe that covid is real
Amen to THAT. Never joined and am glad. Injunctions,not injecetions
You are absolutely right. I had never used social media before this pandemic response but reluctantly decided to join T. (the bird) to seek like-minded perspectives, to ensure that I was not alone. Although I have found the vibe of social media unsettling and addictive, it has provided me with invaluable sources of information, and a rich diverse community of people with interesting perspectives. However, even if that daily virtual contact has been truly helpful, it cannot replace human contact, and can at times highlight the lack of a real in-person community even more.
Or, and here me out here, stop spreading your antivax lies and go get vaccinateed so humanity can end this pandemic and get back to actual community. In highly vaccinated areas, the disease is in remission and society is coming together. It's such an obvious, simple, and safe solution to everyone's problems
God I hope you idiots get banned soon. Your lies and propaganda are killing us!
Spoken like a true tyrant. Congratulations you have been successfully indoctrinated into the neo-liberal woke-iverse! I bet you think that The Great Reset is a great idea too huh?
Everyone can see what you're doing. You're trying to tie your opinions on vaccinations to your opinions on everything else. This isn't a political or cultural issue. It's a science issue. There is a disease and a simple, available, safe, and effective solution in hand.
Beautiful comment.
Disease is ugly
I’m also in BC. Richmond. Agree with everything you wrote!
Good to read a voice from a neighbouring town (I am in Surrey) and to share the predicament we face in this part of the world!
What predicament? Public health servants giving recommendations on how not to spread disease during a pandemic
Even the part that he should be allowed to spread disease during a pandemic. Oh wait, that was the whole thing
Exactly as Charles has predicted. In 2,021years we have not evolved. Too sad for words.
Was there a disease in Jesus’s time that a group of people were adamant that it was their right to spread? I doubt they were that stupid. We’re devolving
Dude, or you could just get vaccinated protecting yourself and the people around you from getting covid. Nobody wants someone in their community who is committed to spreading disease during a pandemic
Thanks for your recommendation. You obviously are not engaging with any of the arguments presented either in the original article or this and other responses. Since your you are not engaging a conversation in good faith, I have no interest in a one-sided dialogue and wish you all the best in your endeavors.
You mean you’re not going to write me back because I don’t think you’re being brave by rejecting a vaccine during a pandemic? Sorry, but you’re not. You’re being an arrogant idiot who is elevating their fears of a safe and effective vaccine above the health of their community. The community is right to turn its back on you for that. You can re-enter humanity anytime you want. All you have to do is stop being selfish and starting protecting your neighbors during this crisis
You are so off the perspectives presented and discussed on this site that I am not sure what your intent is. I was polite in my previous message, wishing you well. As it is clear that you have a one-sided track repeating the mainstream corporate narrative ad nauseum, I bid you farewell, and politely ask you to fuck off.
See, I would, but then you’d be free to spread your lies unchecked by reason and a call for science and evidence. That’s the path of death and destruction. I don’t want any casual readers to come here and think this is a rational perspective because it’s not. I don’t want my loved ones to die. And the fact is that you antivaxxers are spreading lies and misinterpreting statistics to justify your selfish, evidence-free, fear-based refusal to protect your neighbors. So I’ll be fucking right on, pal