The price of forgiveness for the Emily Osters of the world, those who went along with medical totalitarianism, is honest inquiry, self-reflection, and apology. What is the price of amnesty for the Covid criminals? Their price is disclosure.
They are not asking for forgiveness, they are asking that everyone forgets. In fact, the last thing they want is forgiveness. That would require that they admit they made a mistake in the first place.
Hi Charles, thanks always for your extremely thoughtful and insightful offerings to us all. I will add my two cents. While my husband and i bought the story for the first two shots and the booster also, before we woke up, what i will have a hard time forgetting (let's not worry about the forgiving part.), but forgetting...was how some of my loved ones treated me with hatred for siding with those who chose to not get the shot...for wanting to discuss why they had rights also. They not only treated me with hatred, and shut down any possible conversation other than their own views, but they expressed such vicious hatred towards the evil unvaccinated. They did not think they deserved medical care. They did not mind if these people died....i was horrified to see people i have loved my whole life reveal their hatred and venom...and with such sanctimony at that! That i cannot forget...this is a part of them that covid policies and divisions nourished..i think that any extreme conditions cause these attitudes to rise to the surface. Hitler did a good job of milking that. So, maybe i can forgive, but i will not forget that these particular people are capable of blind hatred.
I'm sorry to hear you lost so many supporters during covid. Your post on mob mentality was my introduction to your writing, and I've since enjoyed Sacred Economics beyond measure. It may be small consolation, but you gained a few, as well.
Spot on. As someone terminated for refusing to comply because God clearly directed me to rely on natural immunity (He has never spoken to me more clearly about anything) and my doctor advised against vaccination considering my medical history, I have been thinking a lot about this quest for amnesty. My former employer needs to give back what they took - back pay, Severance, deferred compensation and, yes, damages. My former managers need to apologize. I think of two, my manager and his manager. They both knew this was wrong, they both knew my belief was sincere, they knew I would not be coerced, and they went along. They failed to live up to corporate values or their individual values. They could have done more. All who knew it was wrong but just "went along" could have done more. We must have accountability and restore freedom. Freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom to research, freedom to make your own medical choices, freedom to participate in medical interventions with real informed consent, freedom from coercion. We cannot have freedom without understanding how and why this happened. And I am proud that I followed by beliefs and values and fought for freedom when faced with tyranny.
I believe this request for amnesty is a clear expression of putting the cart before the horse. In a country that is STILL harming it's own with the most righteous and cavalier attitude, it's WAY premature to forgive.
One of my 2 year old patients was brought in for eczema, which is mostly resolved via homeopathy. The parent mentioned she's getting her second covid jab in a few days. I incredulously asked "I didn't know they were giving these shots for 2 year olds!" He then informed me that it's a policy so the family can keep their green card. I warned them of my concerns, but they are planning on giving her the next shot.
There are still thousands - perhaps 10's of thousands of students, government workers, medical workers who are being coerced to take yet another booster. The harms are continuing ad nauseam with nary an apology - or even an admission of wrong doing - in sight.
In addition, it strains the imagination that those who perpetrated these wrongs will EVER cop to it - even a shred of it. We are talking about MILLIONS harmed by the jab and who knows how many died unnecessarily on a vent in our country alone.
To my mind, the sheer scale of the crimes makes the idea of amnesty incredibly unlikely. And that simply because how the fuck are these folks EVER going to come to terms with what they've done?
I hope I'm wrong. But I simply can't cogitate how folks can ever develop the maturity necessary to make amends for their sundry transgressions.
I suspect with the shitstorm coming from the inexorable tanking economy, the inevitable crashing of the medical industrial complex, the flood of spike protein harmed, it'll be all we can do to just survive what's coming.
I love what Charles is saying, that essentially forgiveness sure, but own up first. In other words, forgiveness/amnesty is conditional upon reasonable willingness to own up to egregious transgressions and to make them right. His list of requirements that need to happen prior to amnesty is spot on. However, I sort of think his list - though right and a minimum, is just not going to happen. This especially given that the harms are continuing unabated.
I certainly don't know how this is all going to play out. But I suspect we're about to hit a chaos that we've never known in this country, and other countries may even be worse. I suspect the mélange of existential harms we've been ignoring are in the process of unwinding. We're going to have a lot on our hands in the coming years that won't be pretty. So likely, the forces of evil will NOT be penetrated and healed. Hope I'm wrong, and happy to change my tune. But I just don't see these folks owning up, which makes amnesty pretty near impossible.
I should have known that while spending hours absorbing the most recent Covid mishagas deep wisdom would come from you. Not that the other writers and thinkers I adore haven’t nourished my desire for info and some understanding about wtf is going on. But you add some ferocity that manages to be grounded in love and genuine care. I’m so grateful.
Remdesivir is straight up mass murder. I don't see Fauci ever admitting that. And that is a lot of complicity of nurses and doctors all over America. I do not expect such are going to willingly apologize. This can not continue, but as far as I know it is still being used for critical patients.
Transitional justice is always fraught. It can only begin once the violence has stopped. As we speak, the genocide is ongoing. Gates, Pfizer, WEF, WHO, the White House, CNN still believe that the iatrogenocide is necessary and good. None of your, "I will support amnesty when" conditions will ever be met. So what then? The pathologies run so deep right now.
I hear you Charles. Thank you! I hope the Emily Osters do as well. Also, amnesty when universities and other places remove their vaccine requirements for attendance. When virtue signaling is not connected to a vaccine.
Dear Charles, I have appreciated your calm, kind, wise, open-hearted, and even poetic commentary on the covid nightmare since the beginning. (I admit that I was predisposed to paying attention to and seeking out your writings on the same, as I've been following your work for years.) I quite agree with everything you've put forth in this article. Although more and more people around the world are becoming aware of the whys and hows of the nightmare, most of the people in my life (some have PhDs, the rest are college graduates or spent a year or more pursuing postsecondary studies) continue to get "boosters" and have resigned themselves to accept whatever employers and other authorities assert is good for them and their kids and grandchildren. They continue to avoid writings and interviews of MDs, epidemiologists, other types of scientists, people whose health has been damaged by, and even those who lost loved ones to, the "vaccines", attorneys, activists, wisdom teachers, podcasters, and journalists who question the prevailing institutional narrative as all of these are untrustworthy, fringe, misled, misinformed, loco, conspiracy theorists, communists, or whatever. Sigh. I do believe, despite all, that the overmind and heart, the armature of that "more beautiful world" is aborning, coalescing in the silent (light-filled) liminal spaces everywhere. Countless millions of us worldwide are feeling it, dreaming it, smiling in anticipation.
Are the scientific questions around such things as the effectiveness/ineffectiveness of "masks" and social distancing (etc.) truly and fully established?
I can say this. I fled. I fled the propaganda war raging on all sides, the hatred, contempt and supposed certainty held by the vociferous and angry on all sides. I fled the scene. I saw little actual reasoning on all sides of the Covid Wars. For taking an open-minded approach, for listening to "both sides" (I assure you, there were more than two sides, so I'm using "both" with irony), I was severely castigated by all sides. For referencing scientific papers I was castigated. For not referencing them I was roasted on a pit. Everyone wanted me to walk on red hot coals or to be burned at the stake. So I fled. And now ... am I to believe ... there is something settled? Some sort of social consensus? Really? I haven't been paying any attention. You can imagine why, if you were not among those flinging stones at me.
YES. YES. YES. Thank you Charles. Thank you. I hope you directly post this as a comment on Oster's Atlantic article! I hope this article is distributed as FAR and WIDE as The Coronation. THIS PIECE is the voice of Charles Eisenstein that accompanies the choirs of angels singing in high holy praise. This voice is the one that makes mountains tremble with joy. I bow in gratitude.
Amnesty, Yes—And Here is the Price
They are not asking for forgiveness, they are asking that everyone forgets. In fact, the last thing they want is forgiveness. That would require that they admit they made a mistake in the first place.
Hi Charles, thanks always for your extremely thoughtful and insightful offerings to us all. I will add my two cents. While my husband and i bought the story for the first two shots and the booster also, before we woke up, what i will have a hard time forgetting (let's not worry about the forgiving part.), but forgetting...was how some of my loved ones treated me with hatred for siding with those who chose to not get the shot...for wanting to discuss why they had rights also. They not only treated me with hatred, and shut down any possible conversation other than their own views, but they expressed such vicious hatred towards the evil unvaccinated. They did not think they deserved medical care. They did not mind if these people died....i was horrified to see people i have loved my whole life reveal their hatred and venom...and with such sanctimony at that! That i cannot forget...this is a part of them that covid policies and divisions nourished..i think that any extreme conditions cause these attitudes to rise to the surface. Hitler did a good job of milking that. So, maybe i can forgive, but i will not forget that these particular people are capable of blind hatred.
I'm sorry to hear you lost so many supporters during covid. Your post on mob mentality was my introduction to your writing, and I've since enjoyed Sacred Economics beyond measure. It may be small consolation, but you gained a few, as well.
Spot on. As someone terminated for refusing to comply because God clearly directed me to rely on natural immunity (He has never spoken to me more clearly about anything) and my doctor advised against vaccination considering my medical history, I have been thinking a lot about this quest for amnesty. My former employer needs to give back what they took - back pay, Severance, deferred compensation and, yes, damages. My former managers need to apologize. I think of two, my manager and his manager. They both knew this was wrong, they both knew my belief was sincere, they knew I would not be coerced, and they went along. They failed to live up to corporate values or their individual values. They could have done more. All who knew it was wrong but just "went along" could have done more. We must have accountability and restore freedom. Freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom to research, freedom to make your own medical choices, freedom to participate in medical interventions with real informed consent, freedom from coercion. We cannot have freedom without understanding how and why this happened. And I am proud that I followed by beliefs and values and fought for freedom when faced with tyranny.
In some cases, following contrition, amnesty and forgiveness can do us all some good, but these voices must be stripped of their public influence.
I believe this request for amnesty is a clear expression of putting the cart before the horse. In a country that is STILL harming it's own with the most righteous and cavalier attitude, it's WAY premature to forgive.
One of my 2 year old patients was brought in for eczema, which is mostly resolved via homeopathy. The parent mentioned she's getting her second covid jab in a few days. I incredulously asked "I didn't know they were giving these shots for 2 year olds!" He then informed me that it's a policy so the family can keep their green card. I warned them of my concerns, but they are planning on giving her the next shot.
There are still thousands - perhaps 10's of thousands of students, government workers, medical workers who are being coerced to take yet another booster. The harms are continuing ad nauseam with nary an apology - or even an admission of wrong doing - in sight.
In addition, it strains the imagination that those who perpetrated these wrongs will EVER cop to it - even a shred of it. We are talking about MILLIONS harmed by the jab and who knows how many died unnecessarily on a vent in our country alone.
To my mind, the sheer scale of the crimes makes the idea of amnesty incredibly unlikely. And that simply because how the fuck are these folks EVER going to come to terms with what they've done?
I hope I'm wrong. But I simply can't cogitate how folks can ever develop the maturity necessary to make amends for their sundry transgressions.
I suspect with the shitstorm coming from the inexorable tanking economy, the inevitable crashing of the medical industrial complex, the flood of spike protein harmed, it'll be all we can do to just survive what's coming.
I love what Charles is saying, that essentially forgiveness sure, but own up first. In other words, forgiveness/amnesty is conditional upon reasonable willingness to own up to egregious transgressions and to make them right. His list of requirements that need to happen prior to amnesty is spot on. However, I sort of think his list - though right and a minimum, is just not going to happen. This especially given that the harms are continuing unabated.
I certainly don't know how this is all going to play out. But I suspect we're about to hit a chaos that we've never known in this country, and other countries may even be worse. I suspect the mélange of existential harms we've been ignoring are in the process of unwinding. We're going to have a lot on our hands in the coming years that won't be pretty. So likely, the forces of evil will NOT be penetrated and healed. Hope I'm wrong, and happy to change my tune. But I just don't see these folks owning up, which makes amnesty pretty near impossible.
Peace
I should have known that while spending hours absorbing the most recent Covid mishagas deep wisdom would come from you. Not that the other writers and thinkers I adore haven’t nourished my desire for info and some understanding about wtf is going on. But you add some ferocity that manages to be grounded in love and genuine care. I’m so grateful.
Remdesivir is straight up mass murder. I don't see Fauci ever admitting that. And that is a lot of complicity of nurses and doctors all over America. I do not expect such are going to willingly apologize. This can not continue, but as far as I know it is still being used for critical patients.
Eisenstein for President or Chief Minister of Making Sense and Critical Thinking!! 😁
This is clearly and simply stated. Thanks, Charles!
Transitional justice is always fraught. It can only begin once the violence has stopped. As we speak, the genocide is ongoing. Gates, Pfizer, WEF, WHO, the White House, CNN still believe that the iatrogenocide is necessary and good. None of your, "I will support amnesty when" conditions will ever be met. So what then? The pathologies run so deep right now.
I agree completely. Let's all commit to doing what we can to make sure this never happens again.
Oster's article sure has got us talking! I love that.
I hear you Charles. Thank you! I hope the Emily Osters do as well. Also, amnesty when universities and other places remove their vaccine requirements for attendance. When virtue signaling is not connected to a vaccine.
Dear Charles, I have appreciated your calm, kind, wise, open-hearted, and even poetic commentary on the covid nightmare since the beginning. (I admit that I was predisposed to paying attention to and seeking out your writings on the same, as I've been following your work for years.) I quite agree with everything you've put forth in this article. Although more and more people around the world are becoming aware of the whys and hows of the nightmare, most of the people in my life (some have PhDs, the rest are college graduates or spent a year or more pursuing postsecondary studies) continue to get "boosters" and have resigned themselves to accept whatever employers and other authorities assert is good for them and their kids and grandchildren. They continue to avoid writings and interviews of MDs, epidemiologists, other types of scientists, people whose health has been damaged by, and even those who lost loved ones to, the "vaccines", attorneys, activists, wisdom teachers, podcasters, and journalists who question the prevailing institutional narrative as all of these are untrustworthy, fringe, misled, misinformed, loco, conspiracy theorists, communists, or whatever. Sigh. I do believe, despite all, that the overmind and heart, the armature of that "more beautiful world" is aborning, coalescing in the silent (light-filled) liminal spaces everywhere. Countless millions of us worldwide are feeling it, dreaming it, smiling in anticipation.
Are the scientific questions around such things as the effectiveness/ineffectiveness of "masks" and social distancing (etc.) truly and fully established?
I can say this. I fled. I fled the propaganda war raging on all sides, the hatred, contempt and supposed certainty held by the vociferous and angry on all sides. I fled the scene. I saw little actual reasoning on all sides of the Covid Wars. For taking an open-minded approach, for listening to "both sides" (I assure you, there were more than two sides, so I'm using "both" with irony), I was severely castigated by all sides. For referencing scientific papers I was castigated. For not referencing them I was roasted on a pit. Everyone wanted me to walk on red hot coals or to be burned at the stake. So I fled. And now ... am I to believe ... there is something settled? Some sort of social consensus? Really? I haven't been paying any attention. You can imagine why, if you were not among those flinging stones at me.
YES. YES. YES. Thank you Charles. Thank you. I hope you directly post this as a comment on Oster's Atlantic article! I hope this article is distributed as FAR and WIDE as The Coronation. THIS PIECE is the voice of Charles Eisenstein that accompanies the choirs of angels singing in high holy praise. This voice is the one that makes mountains tremble with joy. I bow in gratitude.